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Is skip voted out the building or not? (Locked)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwidescreenforever
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Skip was and is so valuable to this forum,, I cannot even begin to conclude where his knowledge on this database is to begin..
He should be Immune to any reputation system.. His dedication and time spent goes undeserving on these boards.  It's easy to get a bit frazzled with certain comments and data mistake entries that a lot us make from time to time, when you are putting in as much energy as he is gettign the data right. That is why we are here., to understand and build a better data base than anyone else has in the world. 
To ask any of us to spend half your your waking day on the keyboards is asking a lot.  I was also under the assumption that Skip had built up so many Green arrows to combat the red arrows , that he was always running near full to get that first Star, that I see a lot of you have, but Skip never had a Gold Star. ... That's a pity to me..

Maybe he'll 'skip' buying the next DVD and buy another licence and log in under a different alias and name., and come back as a newbie...

( and please no negative votes for me for posting this.. )   


I got three neg's in the past 30 minutes ., Do I have to edit my post to stay neutral.. 
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He should be Immune to any reputation system..

I can only hope that this was a (failed) attempt to irony. If not, you might look back and see what threads made the introduction of the reputation system neccessary in the first place.


cya, Mithi
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I got three neg's in the past 30 minutes ., Do I have to edit my post to stay neutral.. 

I didn't vote on your post, but it sounded a lot like Skip worshipping, as if he some untouchable holy person.
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Mithi:

I have said this before. YOU and others might look to your own posts such as this one, which isvaguley inflammatory, before you attempt to sit in judgement of ANYONE else. Usually when I get angry, I am responding to something from another user, it doesn't come from nothing. Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones.

One of my other problems with the rep system, which as I said has nothing to do with my decision, is that  Ken has told me that if have an issue with something to let him know. I want him programming, not changing diapers as it were, though I am sure he does that enough with a new one around the house. But CLEARLY some are doing just that which only makes the affected all the more insulting and inflammatory,. Act like an adult and if you get a negative vote take it on the chin.

I have said far more than I intemded to .

Peace..out.

Skip
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Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones.

And I thought that those people should have sex in the basement? :D

*SCNR*
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James:

I am not "back". I will be watching and will ONLY post IF I feel I must. My reasons are my own. Only some of which I have given voice to. I have no intention of actively participating here any longer, all of the exact reasons for it have been brewing for a long time . I will NO LONGER be contributing , but I will continue voting.

I simply want to set the record straight, I have not been voted out, nor is my decision in any way directly related to the Rep sysytem.

Peace...out!

Skip


ROFLMAO, a negative vote. I could even tell you whom. Need I say anymore.

Skip

It wasn't me.
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I got three neg's in the past 30 minutes ., Do I have to edit my post to stay neutral.. 


While I disagree with your post, mainly because I believe everyone on the forums should be treated the same, I did not give you a negative mark for it nor do I believe it deserved one.  But that's just me.  I guess others feel  far stronger about your thinking Skip should get special treatment.  To each his own I guess. 
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I have no doubt that I will get red zingers for this post, but so be it.

I think Skip's decision to stop posting is a very good thing.  Unfortunately, it didn't even last a day.  I gave it less than two weeks and missed by a long shot.

People seem to have a very short memory.  It would take very little time to do some research on this forum to come to the conclusion that other than the Blu ray thread, almost without exception every thread that ever got locked by Ken or Gerri, or became a mud-slinging contest had Skip right in the middle of it.  I don't believe you could say that about any other single user.  Yes, many of the same users (including me) were also involved in many of those threads, but Skip was involved in virtually all of them.

The question should be asked - Why?

Why did these get locked or turn ugly.

The answer is fairly simple.  Skip has an unfortunate habit of name calling and getting into the mud as soon as someone, anyone, strongly disagrees with him.  Skip feels as widescreen does, that he has some special status on this forum by virtue of the number of contributions and the number of posts and the number of times he has "helped" people here.  He does not like to be challenged, especially, by a certain group of the users here; mostly those that have been here a long time and recognize the pattern being repeated over and over.

I think it is a shame that Skip has decided to stop contributing.  His work was usually very good and will be missed.  But, why do you think he has stopped contributing.  Well he has told us himself.  He is punishing us for being a bunch of "ingrates".

I mean really. Do we really need that kind of pettiness on this forum?  I don't.

We will all miss his contributions, but I for one will not miss his participation in these forums.

There is an axiom that Skip could learn from.  "There is only one person in this world that you can change.  Yourself.".  If he were able to change his style of communicating here, he would be welcomed back.  Until then, I think the forums will be a much more pleasant place to visit.

Just one man's opinion!
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He should be Immune to any reputation system.

Can't agree!

The system was introduced to calm down the heated situation. It works!

After a short period of time, where nobody hesitaded to say anything, we got to a moderate athmosphere - which I for myself enjoy.

If we are a community, we have the right to set up rules, how we want to communicate. The reputation system is the tool to give feedback; this feedback represents the emotions and feelings of each individual in our community. After receiving a bad - red arrowed - feedback, everybody should stand back a step and take a review of the involved post: sometimes he'll excuse, sometimes he'll silently wonder if he'd wanted to say that, and sometimes he'll simply ignore the voting. But in each and every case he has to accept the feedback, since it's the feedback of the community.

Conclusion, if somebody get's too much negative feedback continously, the only reaction could be that he asks himself, if this is the community he belongs to. Either the answer is yes and he begins to step back BEFORE pressing the submit button, or the answer is no and he retires. I can't see any possibility to get immunity.

Why should we allow anybody to cross lines as he likes.

To earn my first negative votes, I'd like to say some more words concerning Skip: I for myself put some negatives on him too. Why? - Because I feel really offended, when he starts yelling at anybody instead of thinking about his own point of view.

In each and every discussion there is a point when everything is said; sometimes you got a conclusion and sometimes you found that there are different points of view involved. I'd expect everybody to end the discussion at this point. Some of us keep repeating their point of view - which is useless for me. And some of us start to insult, since they are the only instance in the world - which is inacceptable for me...

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Hi Guys,

Lord of the Sith - Good star to you, for post ~page2

Berak - Two good stars, one for each post

Funky - Excellent post, very thoughtful, shows respect.

Welcome to Star Wars!

Unicus69 wrote: 
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Third, I don't think having moderators would have made any difference.  If anything, this would have happened sooner...assuming the moderators knew how to moderate.


I respectfully disagree, should Skip or anyones post require attention via mod, the offending post would be removed, and explanation/warning given. Moderators carry some authority & most people respect/follow authority figures advise. The flames would not be allowed to run for several posts or pages, nipped in the bud. This system is slow to react when needed most. For this system to work bad stars should be eliminated completely. Good stars will encourage positive behavior, while bad stars (available) to all, gives a sense of power, that is not appropriate for the situation at hand.

Myself I enjoy finding unique 'stuff' & sharing my finds here, but now pass-up items, for fear I'll offend someone, and get a bad star. Kind of stifles creativity. Should the bad stars be eliminated, I would only have to worry about, the moderators, which would reflect Ken & Geris values.

I'll bet given the chance many at this forum would love, be honored to become a moderator.

Take Care
Rico

Ps. Skip - I feel your pain & miss your posts.
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This is about FUBAR.
All I have to say (at risk of a no good reason negative vote it sounds like) is that I'm not getting into what this is all about. I do think it sucks that a great contributor who I had on my short list of "quick look over, vote yes without having to check disc myself" is giving it up due to things posted.
Personal vendettas are even more stupid when done online, where you really don't know the person who's annoying/dissing you.
Like I said, I'm not going back and reading all posts leading up to this. I haven't yet as when a thread turns to verbal jousting, I quit reading it. I have noticed Skip is usually invovled in those and he could be the jerk, I just know or care cuz the forums are secondary to the program and contributions anyway.

Hope you come back after a while Skip.
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Quoting Rico:
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Unicus69 wrote: 
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Third, I don't think having moderators would have made any difference.  If anything, this would have happened sooner...assuming the moderators knew how to moderate.


I respectfully disagree, should Skip or anyones post require attention via mod, the offending post would be removed, and explanation/warning given. Moderators carry some authority & most people respect/follow authority figures advise. The flames would not be allowed to run for several posts or pages, nipped in the bud.


In theory, that is how it is supposed to work.  In practice, however, it seldom does.  As I have mentioned in the past, I was a professional moderator.  By that, I mean I got payed for moderating forums.  My statement was made based on 13+ years of experience.  Anything else I say would be seen as an attack, so I will just end it there.  Disagree if you like, but I know what I am talking about here. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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I know your writing is not very good but to make a thread that is teetering on gloating about another member of our community's destruction is wrong.  I know I am going to get a ton of negative feedback, but I do not care.  Was skip crass? ABSOLUTELY!  Did he contribute to our community more positively than negatively?  ABSOLUTELY!  Look through the database sometime and see how many contributions he made.  You will find a lot.  I opposed the rating system from day one as I knew a person or persons on here would band together and go after people they had personality conflicts with.  To those of you congrats, move on to your next target.  To Ken please remove the reputation system and get us some moderators.


I disagree.  If you count the contributions that would have been made by the users he chased away, he's way in the negative.  A community needs to be newbie friendly to go anywhere.  Compare even the contribution help board on the notoriously abusive IMBD forums with here and you'll understand why I went away for two years, came back and found that it was the exact same twenty or so people on the site with apaprently almost no new members gained.
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Skip was and is so valuable to this forum,, I cannot even begin to conclude where his knowledge on this database is to begin..
He should be Immune to any reputation system.. His dedication and time spent goes undeserving on these boards.  It's easy to get a bit frazzled with certain comments and data mistake entries that a lot us make from time to time, when you are putting in as much energy as he is gettign the data right. That is why we are here., to understand and build a better data base than anyone else has in the world. 
To ask any of us to spend half your your waking day on the keyboards is asking a lot.  I was also under the assumption that Skip had built up so many Green arrows to combat the red arrows , that he was always running near full to get that first Star, that I see a lot of you have, but Skip never had a Gold Star. ... That's a pity to me..

Maybe he'll 'skip' buying the next DVD and buy another licence and log in under a different alias and name., and come back as a newbie...

( and please no negative votes for me for posting this.. )   


I got three neg's in the past 30 minutes ., Do I have to edit my post to stay neutral.. 


Don't sweat it Terry. I just gave that post a
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Hello Unicus69,

That's very impressive 13+ years & getting paid to boot!

Human nature is pretty much the same whether it's a forum, ball park, anywhere actually. You have all types from the smart guy to the bully etc. I suggest to you that many forums exist with moderation where order is, the norm., or it works. I would suggest that if you've had negative experiences, in moderation you, you should seek a forum that does work & try and mimic them. Copying something successful, is a good idea. Also (curious) why are so many forums being moderated & willing to pay, & well, this is the only one I know of where we collectively vote on good or bad.

Take Care
Rico
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I may not do a lot of posting but I do enjoy reading several members postings:
Rico: don't know where you find most of those sites, keep it up as I look forward to them.
ya_shin: always there to help out...also well spoken
widescreen forever: no need to edit your posts to make other people happy
hal9g: always friendly and though I don't post much, feel I have someone there if needed
unicus69: love the avatar 'nuff said.
funkyla: congrates on the big day!!! the mrs. looked good, hope she spoils you with dvds
and so many more to mention, I may not have agreed with everything skip had to say, but that can be said about anybody. I'll miss the old codger, hope he does return in the future even if it is under a new name. With so many different personalities in the community there will always be differences and arguements, just deal with it, it's too easy to cause pain and suffering through the faceless void that is the internet, in person most people would just keep quiet and move on.
perhaps I'll post more in the future, but with the fear of retaliation of those who don't agree with me, we'll have to wait and see.
hoping the rest of the year turns around for most,
thank you,            Dave.
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