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And we don't know if that's how Ken wants us to handle it. The first part of his post makes it look like that, but the second part tells us the exact opposite (at least that is how I read it).

While I agree that it may need further clarification from Ken, I understand unicus' explanation that way, that we have to see Ken's two sentences as separate statements.

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The slip case cover type is intended to be used when it is the only case for the profile, as in for a box set.
Therefore, if it is a Box Set profile, the Slip case is the only case for that profile, as the inner case(s), like digipak, will not be for the parent but the children.

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If there is only one inner case, use the inner case type.
If it is a single-profile DVD, then there would be several cases for that profile, the Slip Case and then the inner one; digipak or whatever. Here we choose the inner one.

TV Series, which don't necessarily have child profiles, will therefore have the inner case type.

Couldn't have said it any better - this is indeed exactly how I understand Ken's clarification, and it's also exactly how myself, and quite a lot of other users, have been using the "case type" field for years.

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Couldn't have said it any better - this is indeed exactly how I understand Ken's clarification, and it's also exactly how myself, and quite a lot of other users, have been using the "case type" field for years.

Even though it means that Alien Quadrilogy remains Slip Case...? If that is so, then YEAH, we are in the same boat now

No, then not, obviously...  That is then the only thing we still disagree about: If there is only one inner case, use the inner case type - that's exactly what applies to the 'Alien' set. I see where you went wrong, now, this is how I see it:

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The slip case cover type is intended to be used when it is the only case for the profile, as in for a box set.
Therefore, if it is a Box Set profile, the Slip case is the only case for that profile, as the inner cases, be it separate keepcases/snappers/digipaks/whatever, will not be for the parent but the children.

If the contents of the slip cover are not multiple, separately packaged contents, we use the inside (cfr. "If there is only one inner case, use the inner case type"). The 'Alien' set does not have separately packaged contents, but only one inner case, se we use the inner.

I was so happy that we at least agreed on TV-sets and single-movie-profiles, that I overlooked this. But there is no reason why we should refer to, say, a 'Frasier'-set as a "digipak" and the 'Alien'-set as a "slip cover", as they're both digipaks-in-a-slipcover (as, again, most digipaks). We shouldn't refer to the same kind of packaging as two different case types - there is simply no justification for that.

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I was so happy that we at least agreed on TV-sets and single-movie-profiles, that I overlooked this. But there is no reason why we should refer to, say, a 'Frasier'-set as a "digipak" and the 'Alien'-set as a "slip cover", as they're both digipaks-in-a-slipcover (as, again, most digipaks). We shouldn't refer to the same kind of packaging as two different case types - there is simply no justification for that.

Well, I see it similar, just the other way round

There is no reason why we should refer to, say, the The Godfather DVD Collection as a "slip case" and the 'Alien'-set as a "dogopak", as they're both digipaks-in-a-slipcover. We shouldn't refer to the same kind of packaging as two different case types - there is simply no justification for that.

I guess ultimately we'll have to agree to disagree in this last point. It simply depends which way you approach the situation. Maybe Ken will explain which interpretation was his intent, maybe he won't.

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I'd say you've bolded the wrong part...  There IS a clear difference: the major difference is that one houses the discs in ONE digipak, and the other houses the discs in multiple digipaks. A collection of multiple, separately packaged discs in an outer case/cover/whatever - that's what we used to call a "box set", and what we from now shall call a "slip case". The 'Alien' set is no such thing: it is NOT a container with a number of separately packaged discs: it is ONE digipak. Dixit Ken's clarification - If there is only one inner case, use the inner case type - we call it a digipak.

I could say now, that you are applying the wrong sentence of what Ken said, you should be using "The slip case cover type is intended to be used when it is the only case for the profile, as in for a box set." instead. It means, that if there is a parent profile, then it only has one case, being that of the box. If there are no child profiles then there are multiple cases available to the profile (inner or outer), where you should then choose the inner case (hence: "If there is only one inner case, use the inner case type").

It is obviously depending how you look at it, as I said above, and how you interpret the sentences. That is why I suggested to give it a rest until there is further clarification.

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I'm certainly not going to agree to disagree

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- your way would still change thousands and thousands of "digipaks" into "slip cases" - for instance the 'Frasier'-sets that I referred to.

I already clarified above, following what unicus said, that the TV Sets would not be affected.

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TV Series, which don't necessarily have child profiles, will therefore have the inner case type.

But because they CAN have child profiles, you have to follow the same criteria as any other box set, otherwise you haven't solved a bloody thing.

Once again: whether a set has child profiles attached, doesn't influence what packaging it comes in. This is something that everyone agrees on, despite our debates about other aspects of the "case type" field. I'll repeat myself: whether a profile has child profiles attachted to it or not, does not influence how it's packaged.

It's really very simple: a keepcase with one movie (no slipcover or anything like that, no children) is a keepcase, and a keepcase with two movies (again, no slipcover or anything, but with child profiles for both movies) is also a keepcase. Honestly: we're all clear on that - you're the only one who doesn't seem to be able to grasp this.

You want to use the "case type" field to indicate something other than packaging - you used to call two movies in a single keepcase a "box set". Well, you were wrong, as lots of people have told you. And with Ken changing the name to "slip case", you can no longer do this. Start another poll if you like - you'll find that there everyone is in agreement on this. It would help this debate if you wouldn't keep inserting these ridiculous statements into it...

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All I will say is you are thinking far too narrowly. Open it up, amigo. If it helps see my note in the parallel thread.

I seriously don't see what you mean. My post that you replied to was only about the fact that Rifter wants to decide the case type based on whether it has child profiles or not. Currently he uses "box set" (now that we still have it, that is, after Ken's change he'll have to change his behaviour) as a case type for a single keepcase (no slipcase!) containing two discs with separate movies. He can't help but thinking: "there's child profiles, so it's a box set". The only thing I said was that we do not, and should not, decide on a case type based on whether there are child profiles involved. It's about the packaging, nothing else. How am I thinking narrowly with this? Do you disagree with what I've said in that post?

Not at all, Hal. That has more than one unit in it and should have slip case (at the moment box set). This is covered by the "first release rule"

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Not at all, Hal. That has more than one unit in it and should have slip case (at the moment box set). This is covered by the "first release rule"

I may have mis-read, but I thought someone was advocating that Slip Case was not to be used for TV Sets.

Content should not dictate in any way what case type should be selected, IMHO.