Quoting CharlieM:

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From IMDB

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IMDb grants you a limited license to access and make personal use of this site and not to download (other than page caching) or modify it, or any portion of it, except with express written consent of IMDb. This site or any portion of this site may not be reproduced, duplicated, copied, sold, resold, visited, or otherwise exploited for any commercial purpose without express written consent of IMDb. This license does not include any resale or commercial use of this site or its contents or any derivative use of this site or its contents.

I link to pages at IMDB in my various TV show quick reference guides, for more than 10 year and no one at IMDB has ever said what I'm doing is in violation (which I don't think it is).  But that is apples and oranges.

Facts cannot be copyrighted.  The fact that John Doe is a Sound Editor for film XYZ cannot be copyrighted.  What they are able to copyright is the layout out their site, how the site displays the data, what the site looks like, etc..  So, if a DVDP user looked up the sound editor for film XYZ, and obtained the John Doe name as a result, it could be used.  That said, a better source would be the actual film credit list at the end of the movie on the DVD/Blu-ray.  IMDB has too many errors to be accurate.  I see it quite often when I create the links on my web pages.

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As far as "Three Monkeys", every one of my edited profiles have the correct "as credited" crew position in the custom field.  This is what I see, in my display and in my online.  I track a number of roles this way, that don't necessarily fit into the broad categories that DVD Profiler allows.

It would really be nice if everyone would be able to have your accurate listings.  I wonder how many DVDP users are reinventing the wheel by doing the same thing you are doing.  It would benefit all if user 1 did x number of discs, user 2 x number, and so forth.  Also, the fact that you, and other users, are modifying their local listings, indicates to me that the current listing topology is severely lacking.

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If Ken decides to change it, I hope he gives it something besides "Editor".  I can see the arguments that start for all the sound, Dialogue, adr, foley and music editors.

As I mentioned in a previous posting, it could be changed to Film/Video Editor, or more generically, Visual Editor

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You seem to portray yourself as more than average knowledge about the what people still refer to as the "Film" industry.  If this is the case, then you are not the average "Joe" that will use this program.  You really need to think about this on that level.

I wouldn't say I was more or less than average, as I do not know where the average border line is.

When the average DVDP user goes to put together a contribution for a new release and goes into Film Editor (since it is the only choice) and tries to find a role for "Edited by", it isn't there.  The only choice is "Film Editor", but that isn't what is in the actual credits.  If the user clicks on other and enters "Edited by", it will be discovered later that it didn't make it into the database as "Edited by".  Frustrating?

Same thing for other major roles that aren't available.

What is wrong with having the database list what is actually in the credits?  Why can't that be something to strive for?

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If they are the same thing, why are both used?  Hollywood can have some weird pecking orders, so there must be some reason why one is used over the other.

The union rules aren't secret. What is this reason? Is it anything that we should care about? There are plenty of crediting decisions that aren't governed by contracts with the talent or union rules, otherwise all credit sequences would look the same. I bet that if you give me 15 minutes, I can find a movie where the editor is credited as "edited by" in the opening credits and "editor" in the closing.

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I link to pages at IMDB in my various TV show quick reference guides, for more than 10 year and no one at IMDB has ever said what I'm doing is in violation (which I don't think it is).  But that is apples and oranges.

It is not the part about linking, nor is it about the personal use (I assume you are not making money from the information you  link to).  Ken is making money, and a commercial license is about 15K per annum.  And you are correct, IMDB is inaccurate in many places, including Role Names.  They have a tendency in a lot of cases of full names instead of what is displayed.

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It would really be nice if everyone would be able to have your accurate listings.  I wonder how many DVDP users are reinventing the wheel by doing the same thing you are doing.  It would benefit all if user 1 did x number of discs, user 2 x number, and so forth.  Also, the fact that you, and other users, are modifying their local listings, indicates to me that the current listing topology is severely lacking.

This is what many users in the forums have been asking for.  Not so much a change in the categories, but contributable custom credits.

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When the average DVDP user goes to put together a contribution for a new release and goes into Film Editor (since it is the only choice) and tries to find a role for "Edited by", it isn't there.  The only choice is "Film Editor", but that isn't what is in the actual credits.  If the user clicks on other and enters "Edited by", it will be discovered later that it didn't make it into the database as "Edited by".  Frustrating?

This is all covered in the rules.  And realistically, I would say that the average user probably doesn't contribute.  I don't see that many variations of names (agree that I don't have a large collection, but big enough).  AS well as participating in the forums.  If by what I see in names,  I don't think Ken would be making much of a living.

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What is wrong with having the database list what is actually in the credits?  Why can't that be something to strive for?

We all think this would be a good thing.  A lot of people do not believe that expanding the predefined credits is the way to go.  It would be easier and more flexible, to allow custom credits to be contributed, within specific categories.

Charlie

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This. And we most certainly do not need three different options ("Film Editor", "Edited by" and "Editor") for the same job.

And the harm in having all three actual credit choices is... what?

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Quoting T!M:

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This. And we most certainly do not need three different options ("Film Editor", "Edited by" and "Editor") for the same job.

And the harm in having all three actual credit choices is... what?

If you're so keen on having three different options you must see some benefit for it. What exactly is the benefit of differentiating between "Edited by" and "Film Editor"?

KinoNiki brings up a valid point.

This is international software, with many translation files for the languages.

When there really is no difference between "Editor", "Film Editor" (How the industry refers it), Or "Edited by", why would you want to force the international community to try to differentiate between them.

This would be no different than

"Producer"  "Produced by"  "A name Production". 

"Re-Recording Mixer" or "Sound Re-recording Mixer"

"Production Sound Mixer" or  "Sound Mixer"

"Composer" or "Music by"

"Production Designer"  or "Production Designed by".

In all realism, these all examples of matching credits, it just depends on who is doing the credits as discussed between the director, the individual and the person entering the credits.

Charlie

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Legality aside, there went your desire to use IMDb.

I never had a desire to use IMDB.  The best source should be the media itself and its credits listing.

Well, Mr. Video, I have long been a supporter of Fully Open Credits....nightmares and all. Simply list the Credit as you see it on screen (WYSIWYT). But so far the closest we get to that is someited usage of non-contributable  custom roles for Crew. Do I think that is the answer, absolutely NOT, given the number v isswues which continue to present themselves  in Crew, b ut it is what we have TODAY....Tomorrow who knows