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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Ihave a good idea, let's just go BACK to distributor and drop all of thios other ill-defined nonsense that has very little practical value, we can ask ken to move to the two additionla field up into the Production Studios field and we can capture additional data that has some REAL value.
Skip I honestly don't know if that is a solution  How does a layman find the distribution company then? Are they typically listed on the back cover as such? I don't see it on this cover (not my scan but it's all I have right now) (and yes, it's cropped terribly but you can still read the cropped words)  |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Publisher is more important than distributor. Warner Home Video and HBO Video are both distrbuted by Warner, but are distinct entities. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 868 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Ihave a good idea, let's just go BACK to distributor and drop all of thios other ill-defined nonsense that has very little practical value, we can ask ken to move to the two additionla field up into the Production Studios field and we can capture additional data that has some REAL value.
Skip
I honestly don't know if that is a solution
How does a layman find the distribution company then? Are they typically listed on the back cover as such?
I don't see it on this cover (not my scan but it's all I have right now) (and yes, it's cropped terribly but you can still read the cropped words)
Under the Universal logo you can read Universal Studios Home Entertainment, which i think is the correct name for the MC. Paul |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
Quote:
Ihave a good idea, let's just go BACK to distributor and drop all of thios other ill-defined nonsense that has very little practical value, we can ask ken to move to the two additionla field up into the Production Studios field and we can capture additional data that has some REAL value.
Skip
I honestly don't know if that is a solution
How does a layman find the distribution company then? Are they typically listed on the back cover as such?
I don't see it on this cover (not my scan but it's all I have right now) (and yes, it's cropped terribly but you can still read the cropped words)
Rick: It does take a small degree of familiarity with the inner workings of some of the companes, for example in your example the Distributor is USHE which is something that Universal has done for over 25 years and has gone through various iterations of the logo. there is no agreement within the industry to standardize the placement of such information. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Publisher is more important than distributor. Warner Home Video and HBO Video are both distrbuted by Warner, but are distinct entities. First Ace, DVDs and films are NOT published. Perhaps to YOU "publisher" is important, but I will wager that you cannot define it in any way, that is simple and easily duplicatable acorss the board.. And your definition would likely wind up being very close to a Production Company. Distributors are easily defined and always have been. BTW Ace, when you make a comment such as "Publisher is more important than distributor" don't pretend that you speak for ALL, you certainly don't speak for me. Now does WHV distribute HBO, fopr the same reason BVHE distributes all Disney co. related films, they OWN the Company...so what is HBO, the Production Company.<gasp> Reality what a concept. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Then there's the redundancy issue. Please show me where in the media company rules that there is a "redundancy issue" that allows you to vote 'no' on my contribution on that basis. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting paulb_99: Quote:
Quoting lyonsden5:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Ihave a good idea, let's just go BACK to distributor and drop all of thios other ill-defined nonsense that has very little practical value, we can ask ken to move to the two additionla field up into the Production Studios field and we can capture additional data that has some REAL value.
Skip
I honestly don't know if that is a solution
How does a layman find the distribution company then? Are they typically listed on the back cover as such?
I don't see it on this cover (not my scan but it's all I have right now) (and yes, it's cropped terribly but you can still read the cropped words)
Under the Universal logo you can read Universal Studios Home Entertainment, which i think is the correct name for the MC.
Paul For region 2 releases there isn't 'Home Entertainment'' or 'Home Video' under the Universal logo. There's the Universal Logo, Universal Studios or Universal Pictures credited on the cover and DVD... | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | It conveys the same information, just a Division of the comapny. And why are we interested in who did the Pcakage Design and Artwork, there is nothing in the Rules that convet=ys that. I know there is nothing in the Rules that doesn't. I will grant, Ace, that such information may hold value to YOU, based on some definition that you create for yourself, but i will wager you cannot create that definiton so that it has meaning to ALL users, which to me would make it a local choice.. Probably the most relevant of all such data outside of the Distribution Company,; woukld be the Authoring Comapny, which seems to be becoming less and less of an issue, it looks like Parent Companies are increasingly authoring the films in-house. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting paulb_99:
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Quoting lyonsden5:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Ihave a good idea, let's just go BACK to distributor and drop all of thios other ill-defined nonsense that has very little practical value, we can ask ken to move to the two additionla field up into the Production Studios field and we can capture additional data that has some REAL value.
Skip
I honestly don't know if that is a solution
How does a layman find the distribution company then? Are they typically listed on the back cover as such?
I don't see it on this cover (not my scan but it's all I have right now) (and yes, it's cropped terribly but you can still read the cropped words)
Under the Universal logo you can read Universal Studios Home Entertainment, which i think is the correct name for the MC.
Paul
For region 2 releases there isn't 'Home Entertainment'' or 'Home Video' under the Universal logo. There's the Universal Logo, Universal Studios or Universal Pictures credited on the cover and DVD... That may well be true in Europe, Paul. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Let's break it down James.
XXXX Film ©19xx/Renewed ©19xx XXXProductions and Warner Bros. Entertainment, Inc. This has nothing to do with Film Production Distribution nor anything else. It is simply who holds the Copyright to the FILM.
Package Design and Supplementary Material Compilation ©20xx Warner Bros. Entertainment, Inc. Distributed By Warner Home Video
Now further the first section of ALL Warner product contains the following. "This copyrighted product has been manufactured and distributed by Warner Home Video, a Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Company, and yada, yada yada
So the only thing that we can really define is the Distributor and a manufacturer, one and the same. There is superfluous informatuion that pertains to not much of anything regarding a Media Company that is readily definable. We know that WHV (Distributor) is a WBHE Company and we know that WBE holds the copyright on both the film (in conjunction with another company) and that they hol;d the Copyright to the Product Design and package...Og Boy. That certainly sounds like a whole bunch a data beyond WHV that is redundant, not easily defined as a Media Company (except by you) and I certainly don't agree with your definition or inclusion of redundant data.
So exactly what is it you think you want to track, James...the Copyright Holders, the Designer of the Packaging and Artwork...the parent company of the Distributor. These qualify as Media companies...why? They don't comply to me. In the case ofn Warner, there iis ONE MC and it is WHV, they are both the Distributor AND the manufacturer.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
In the region 2 area Universal is always (well 99%) credited as Universal Pictures and/or Universal Studios. 'Universal Studios Home Entertainment' and/or 'Universal Studios Home Video' aren't credited anywhere. Not on the back cover, nor in the the DVD credits. We don't track what it should or shouldn't be, but what the DVD and/or the DVD cover tells us. Locally the fields are all yours, but for the online, stick to the rules. Rick is in R1 US, so my answer was based on that knowledge. I do know that the answer is different outside the US. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MakoDeth: Quote:
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Use the Media Companies fields to enter the DVD publishing companies. These are usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box. If the DVD Publishing company isn't located on the box or packaging, take the DVD publisher from the disc's credits.
The rule does not say that the Media Company has to be the company next to the year of DVD release  Indeed it doesn't. It says that it is usually found there, not that we have to take it from there. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting Corne:
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Quoting paulb_99:
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Quoting lyonsden5:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Ihave a good idea, let's just go BACK to distributor and drop all of thios other ill-defined nonsense that has very little practical value, we can ask ken to move to the two additionla field up into the Production Studios field and we can capture additional data that has some REAL value.
Skip
I honestly don't know if that is a solution
How does a layman find the distribution company then? Are they typically listed on the back cover as such?
I don't see it on this cover (not my scan but it's all I have right now) (and yes, it's cropped terribly but you can still read the cropped words)
Under the Universal logo you can read Universal Studios Home Entertainment, which i think is the correct name for the MC.
Paul
For region 2 releases there isn't 'Home Entertainment'' or 'Home Video' under the Universal logo. There's the Universal Logo, Universal Studios or Universal Pictures credited on the cover and DVD...
That may well be true in Europe, Paul.
Skip Skip, I'm Cor btw, not Paul  It was just a addition to this discussion. A contributor that contributes region 2/4 releases is used to Universal Pictures/Studios and can easily make a mistake for a region 1 release. The other way around the exact same thing. | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | What I mean is the important company to track is who determines what is actually on the disc i.e. who does the software. Different companies have different policies, so this makes a lot of difference on the DVD.
To go back to my previous example, Warner Home Video does Dolby Digital audio on TV Blu-rays, has them start playing when put the disc in the drive and puts 6-7 episodes to a disc. HBO Video uses DTS-MA, the discs go to main menu when you put them in the drive and puts 2-3 episodes per disc. Also, this info is a lot easier to find than distributor since the logo comes up when you put in the disc and is prominently displayed on the package. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
That certainly sounds like a whole bunch a data beyond WHV that is redundant, not easily defined as a Media Company (except by you) and I certainly don't agree with your definition or inclusion of redundant data. I didn't define it. The rule says these are usually found (dated with the year of the DVD release) on the back of the box. That's exactly where I went to look. There's nothing in the rule to tell you to ignore what you see nor is there anything that allows you to vote against it because you think it's redundant. Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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The rule does not say that the Media Company has to be the company next to the year of DVD release
Indeed it doesn't. It says that it is usually found there, not that we have to take it from there. To me, that language is to allow one to look elsewhere if it isn't there. But if it is there, as is the case in my example, the word "usually"doesn't allow you to overlook the fact that it's there. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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