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Is "Already submitted" valid reason to vote "No"??
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I was not anything but civil to you, kulju. 

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Even if they could, how many contributions are there every day and how could they remember every contribution from Yesterday or the day before?

But they don't have to. Like Ken said every time they compare a contribution, they compare against last accepted profile.

I'm pretty sure that I've seen contributions combined. It's easier when your location have maybe 5-10max. active contributors. I have contributed a full audit except with minimal Cast & Crew and voted "yes" for another contribution which didn't have a lot of info that I contributed, but a complete Cast & Crew and when I have downloaded that profile all my data is there, except with more complete Cast & Crew. How is that possible?

Again, just out of curiosity. Not arguing with anyone.


If you contribute at 1000am on 1 jan your contribution  someone else contributees at 100pm on 2 jan for the same profile.

The screeners see your profile and accept it.  That now becomes the online profile for the community.  The next day, the other contribution is accepted (as a whole contribution, not necessarily complete) his contribution now uopdates the fields that he updated.  This now becomes the online contribution for everybody.  Any information that was duplicated, didn't come across to the screeners, similar to when you contribute an updates profile.  Therefore, when you did an update, you saw a combination of the two accepted profiles.

As far as I know and have seen, the screeners either accept all the data from a contribution (which has happened by mistake, they are after all human) or they accept none of it (accept for images).

Unfortunately that puts a lot of the responsibility on us.  As contributors we need to be aware of what is already pending (we can see it when we contribute) as opposed to what we are contributing.  If the screeners are updating 100 profiles a day, they could very easily overlook something.


There has been repeated requests for section acceptance of profiles, but not knowing how much reprogramming that would take, I don't know the feasibility.
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That makes sence, but how do you "weight" the contributions? For example: Another contribution has 15-20 correct entries, but minimal Cast & Crew. The other one has 2 correct entries, but with complete Cast & Crew. No incorrect entries on neather one. I would feel oblicated to vote "yes" to both of 'em and let the screeners to do their work. Do we KNOW that they cannot do partial acceptions? I don't.

I always give full cast and crew priority because it takes the most effort to complete.  I don't know what the screeners can or can't do, that's just the way I have always done it.

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Another example: First contribution has six correct entries. Second one has also six correct entries. Three of entries are same. No Cast or Crew on eather one... Do we have table in somewhere which says which fields are more important than the others? I would vote "yes" again to both of 'em.

In this case, I would probably vote yes as well and, no, there is no table anywhere.
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Are you serious that during the time screeners accept/decline the data contributed, the data isn't compared against the accepted data???


The above is not correct.  Submitters, screeners, and voters always see the latest accepted data.


On multiple submissions I do always vote on the same base (latest accepted contribution), but to compare the pending (in a comfortable way) I always have to wait until the first pending is accepted and then rewatch.
I want option that in such cases the second, third, ... pending will reshow after the first is accepted/declined.
I hate it always having to know which profile I need to rewatch. 
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Maybe a good idea is to have a contribution block to fields that already have contributions pending or a check box to tick if you are adding more complete information to that field.
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Nick:

That might work, I don't enough about Ken's choice of Db. But even easier than that is to simply pay attention to the rule

Read the prior Contribution Notes. They will give you information about contributions that other users have made. There are two specific things that you need to be particularly aware of:

    * Have other users verified discrepancies between the cover and the actual disc information? If so do not contribute the incorrect box information again.
    * Are there pending contributions from other users, which have yet to be evaluated by Invelos screeners? If so, you need to ensure that your contribution will not overwrite pending corrections with incorrect information again. Or are you duplicating the contribution that is pending, just contributing the same information again?

I do it, I even do it before accept anybody's update for my local. This is why I keep saying how uimportant the Notes are. That's why we keep a permanent record of the Contribution Notes, special note I am NOT talking about vote notes, people who like to do the contributor's work for them, are supplying wortless information, those notes are NOT saved or become part of the record for that title, so suh notes are meaningless. What should be done in such cases is to PM the Contributor with your supporting information and ask him to include it in his notes, but don't vote Yes and then provide worthless documentation. The only notes of value for the permanent record are the contribution notes.

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Maybe a good idea is to have a contribution block to fields that already have contributions pending or a check box to tick if you are adding more complete information to that field.


I like the idea.    Could be very userfriendly and prevent (unwanted) overwritting of good data.
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The problem is Skip that people don't check if there is a pending contribution, at the moment there is a contribution pending  for cast/crew for a profile and someone else has just contributed cast/crew again (this person voted "Yes" to the other submission) that is incomplete and less accurate than the pending one      it just blows my mind that people do this
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The problem is Skip that people don't check if there is a pending contribution, at the moment there is a contribution pending  for cast/crew for a profile and someone else has just contributed cast/crew again (this person voted "Yes" to the other submission) that is incomplete and less accurate than the pending one      it just blows my mind that people do this


I know, nick, but in my view that's their problem not ours. They want their contribution approved, then do the work, it's that simple really. I have absolutely no problem with voting No and stating the data has already been submitted. It's part of our requirements, like i said i check the notes, i even check for updates, and I refuse a LOT of updates because their notes are not sufficient in some form or other. I don't have a lot of pity in this regard, I don't worry about what Ken can or cannot do, or what he will or won't do, i deal with where we are, and in some ways it's a little cumbersome and time consuming but that is where we are today, so as i always say you want your contribution approved follow the Rules and part of that is checking Previous notes. Not hard.

What's the number one error that I see, newbies wanting to be helpful, not reading the Rules and deciding to jump straight into of the pool. What happens when you jump into the deep end of the pool and you haven't learned how to swim....you drown. They submit IMDb data....they drown.   They duplicate a prior Contribution....they drown. We NEED six different contributions with Covers in a week? I think that's how many I saw last week for Up in the Air.  

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What happens when you jump into the deep end of the pool and you haven't learned how to swim....you drown.

Unless you are surrounded by people who know how to swim, as is the case here. Then the thing to do is to jump in and help them learn to swim, not sit back and tell them they deserve to drown for daring to try something that looked like fun when they didn't know all there is to know about it.

Of course that would also be considered polite and we now know that's not a requirement here. I guess the moral o the story is in the civilized world, help them learn to swim. In DVDP land let 'em drown!
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Typical and not an unsurprising response form you, rick. I never let anybody drown, that's their choice. I always PM users, especially newbs, sometimes i get attitude, do you know how long it to me to copy IMDb, sometimes a get the more appropriate whoops sorry. And i always offer to help them. Keep your shiv your pocket, as usual you go off half-cocked knowing nothing of which you speak. You simply cannot resist. You are so eaten up by your hatred and disdain, get over it.

Instead of reading the WHOLE, you take one small piece out of context and pick at it. It's almost laughable.

Wait for it...

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It woudl help if Ken would implement a warning if there was already something pending for the same field. We would be able to submit anyway, we'd just know.
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