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| Registered: February 10, 2008 |  Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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Brazil is different mainly because the discs have individual packaging.. Dawn of the Dead: Ultimate Edition doesn't have child profiles.
I am sorry, but this distinction isn't in the rules...besides, that isn't your argument. Your argument is that they don't qualify for the bonus feature film rule because they are different cuts of the same film. The fact that Brazil has individual packaging doesn't change anything. That's true... and as long as the rules will not be changed, this discussion will surely come up again and again with various new releases/cuts  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
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any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. Isn't this clear enough? Or is it "feature film" that causes confusion? I think it just means that we shouldn't create profiles for short films, documentaries etc. As it stands, the rules clearly support the inclusion of ANY bonus feature films. That's how I read it anyway. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinoniki: Quote:
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any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release.
Isn't this clear enough? Or is it "feature film" that causes confusion?
I think it just means that we shouldn't create profiles for short films, documentaries etc. As it stands, the rules clearly support the inclusion of ANY bonus feature films. That's how I read it anyway. I just read the rules on this again too and it's totally within the rules to create child profiles of those "bonus" films, in this case different cuts of the movie. The rules don't say that the bonus films have to be a different film. The examples are showing different movies like the 1925 Ben Hur but it nowhere says that you can't make a child profile for a bonus film that is just a different cut of the main feature. Unless I have overlooked this somewhere. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well the implication Dark and Kino was different films of the same title as demonstrated by the inclusion of the 1925 Ben_Hur. This was caused when Fox released Ben-Hur with the 1925 Version, the Wizard of Oz which included a silent version of the film and several others. It was BEFORE such things as Blade Runner so they weren't anticipated at that time. As I have said before how many copies of the same Profile are needed just due to various cuts of the film in a package. But this was certainly not covered under the rules due to the experss listed example.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Well the implication Dark and Kino was different films of the same title as demonstrated by the inclusion of the 1925 Ben_Hur. This was caused when Fox released Ben-Hur with the 1925 Version, the Wizard of Oz which included a silent version of the film and several others. It was BEFORE such things as Blade Runner so they weren't anticipated at that time. As I have said before how many copies of the same Profile are needed just due to various cuts of the film in a package. But this was certainly not covered under the rules due to the experss listed example.
Skip I understand your point Skip, but if it's not excluded, it should be allowed. You cannot have examples for every scenario. If the rules are not updated/changed, there is nothing there that tells us that the "bonus film" has to be a different film than the main film. The rules only say "feature film" and a different cut is a feature film. You know what you guys had in mind when you wrote the rules but I have to go by what I read in the rules right now and that does not exclude a different cut of the same movie. Dirk |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote:
I understand your point Skip, but if it's not excluded, it should be allowed. Dirk I disagree. We have a set of positive rules. They aren't just a list of what's disallowed. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting TheDarkKnight:
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I understand your point Skip, but if it's not excluded, it should be allowed. Dirk
I disagree. We have a set of positive rules. They aren't just a list of what's disallowed. On that point i have to agree, Ace. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | So you are telling me that a different cut of a film is not a feature film? Please explain that to me. | | | | Last edited: by TheDarkKnight |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting TheDarkKnight:
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I understand your point Skip, but if it's not excluded, it should be allowed. Dirk
I disagree. We have a set of positive rules. They aren't just a list of what's disallowed. Please point me to the rules where it states this. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote:
Please point me to the rules where it states this. it telsl us when to enter child profiles. if the rules had a section of when not to create child profiles and this situation wasn't covered, then I woudl agree with you. However, the rules primarliy tell us what to do, not just what not to do. Basically, I'm sayign you can't enter datalike this unless the rules specifically authorize it or if it's a clear corrollary to something that it says we are supposed to do. Quote:
So you are telling me that a different cut of a film is not a feature film? Please explain that to me. It's not a bonus feature film. besides, if these were treated as bonus feature films, there would only be child profiles for discs three and five, but there are also child profiles for disc 1, where the main version resides, and the special features discs. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | I see what you are saying Ace. I still don't fully agree on your definition of a bonus film and I believe a different cut can be a bonus film, like the Star Wars DVDs, but I can understand your point and I can't really prove it wrong. You are also right about BR. It's setup as a boxset which isn't following the rules.
Dirk |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gerri has stated that it is o.k. to create child profiles, for the DVD version, of the same exact film that is included with a Blu-ray release. If the bonus DVD qualifies as a bonus feature film, why wouldn't these?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Gerri has stated that it is o.k. to create child profiles, for the DVD version, of the same exact film that is included with a Blu-ray release. If the bonus DVD qualifies as a bonus feature film, why wouldn't these? That was because of technical restrictions that kept you from entering that a release contained both DVD and Blu-ray. It's not a factor here. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Gerri has stated that it is o.k. to create child profiles, for the DVD version, of the same exact film that is included with a Blu-ray release. If the bonus DVD qualifies as a bonus feature film, why wouldn't these? Now you are trying to create an apple from an orange, my friend. A combo is two different MEDIA with different aspects belonging to each. Blade runner is multiple copies of the SAME film on the SAME media. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I really do not understand this whole argument. It's sort of like "uncredited". Why are people so hell bent on removing "uncredited" form the on-line database? If you don't want them, then remove them.
Same thing with these odd balls. How is it it in any way harming anyone or anything to have the boxset contents in the on-line profile for those people who wish to treat this as a boxset, as long as they don't remove the data from the "parent".
The rule defines a boxset as "two or more films". It does not say "two or more DIFFERENT films", and even if it did, it could be argued that these are different films, otherwise they wouldn't be given different "editions". In many cases there IS often different information related to the different cuts, that cannot otherwise be captured without creating a separate profile.
This just seems like much ado about nothing. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Gerri has stated that it is o.k. to create child profiles, for the DVD version, of the same exact film that is included with a Blu-ray release. If the bonus DVD qualifies as a bonus feature film, why wouldn't these?
Now you are trying to create an apple from an orange, my friend. A combo is two different MEDIA with different aspects belonging to each. Blade runner is multiple copies of the SAME film on the SAME media.
Skip If it were the same film, why have multiple copies? Oh yea, because they aren't the same film. They are different versions of the same film...with different run times, sometimes extra cast, crew and different audio. Don't we want to capture those different aspects as well? Whether it be different versions of the same film, or the same exact film on a different media, they should be treated the exact same way. Beyond that, let's look at the rules for a minute: "The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film." Note it does not say, "more than one unique film". Each disc in these sets contains a film, by the definition in the rules, they could be turned into Box Sets. The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. Note it says ANY feature film, not a different feature film. The discs included in these sets contain feature films, by the definition in the rules, bonus feature film profiles can be created. Yes, I know the argument, the examples used are not similar to these sets. Unfortunately, the use of the word 'some', makes that argument fail. The way I see it, we have two choices...turn them into Box Sets, stripping all the data from the parent, or create bonus feature film profiles like we do with TV Series sets. The latter makes the most sense as it should make both camps happy. Edit: I see hal beat me to it and it seems we are on the same page. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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