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(Option to) remove cast and crew images from database |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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I think I understand two things:
first you do not use the backup files that we share. Doing that you would have saved much of your time, and/or you would have much more photos.
You are correct, but I don't mind looking for my own pictures. first, it guarantees that I get the photo I want. Second, I can easily work with, and view, all my photos as they are in their own folder in JPG format. For me, the ability to do those things, is more important.
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[b]second, you have not yet been interested to share your photos. Not really in dvdprofiler spirit... but of course everyone may do what he wants...
Wow, really? Let me be clear here, as someone who has run quite a few websites, and had quite a few images stolen and redistributed without permission, I will never, ever, share images that do not belong to me. If it is something you want to do, that is your choice, but, please keep the condescending attitude to yourself.  [/b]  I am very conservative on such issues and i will take no action which could conceivably cause me grief, like violating the law. That means I do not share my headshots because I am not legally permiitted to do so.. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
but, please keep the condescending attitude to yourself. There was no condescending attitude. YOU wrote "if I wanted to", there was no interpretation from myself. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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but, please keep the condescending attitude to yourself.
There was no condescending attitude. YOU wrote "if I wanted to", there was no interpretation from myself. And YOU wrote, "Not really in dvdprofiler spirit... but of course everyone may do what he wants..." That is a condescending statement. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I am very conservative on such issues and i will take no action which could conceivably cause me grief, like violating the law. That means I do not share my headshots because I am not legally permiitted to do so..
You are legally permitted to contribute data you take in credits of a movie, and not permitted to share a screen capture of an actor's face you took two minutes before those credits, on the same file of the same DVD ??? | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: April 4, 2007 |  Posts: 880 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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I am very conservative on such issues and i will take no action which could conceivably cause me grief, like violating the law. That means I do not share my headshots because I am not legally permiitted to do so..
You are legally permitted to contribute data you take in credits of a movie, and not permitted to share a screen capture of an actor's face you took two minutes before those credits, on the same file of the same DVD ??? Oh come on, even you can't be that stupid, so don't pretend to be. One is just data, the other is a visual piece of a copyrighted work. Not to mention that most headshots are not taken from movies at all. | | | | - Jan |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
You are legally permitted to contribute data you take in credits of a movie, and not permitted to share a screen capture of an actor's face you took two minutes before those credits, on the same file of the same DVD ??? In a word, yes. This is just like IMDB can have plot summaries of movies, but not the movies themselves unless they pay for them. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hydr0x: Quote:
Not to mention that most headshots are not taken from movies at all. At present time, most headshots (of mostly famous actors) that can be found on the net are already in the database. The only way to add really new ones (generally for unknown actors), is to take screencaptures of them. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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I am very conservative on such issues and i will take no action which could conceivably cause me grief, like violating the law. That means I do not share my headshots because I am not legally permiitted to do so..
You are legally permitted to contribute data you take in credits of a movie, and not permitted to share a screen capture of an actor's face you took two minutes before those credits, on the same file of the same DVD ??? Yves; I won't presume to tell you what you can and cannot do under french klaw, even though there are International Copyright treaties and France is a signatory. Kindly don't presume to explain US law to me, as regard Copyrights. I am not a lawyer, but i do have many years in the Video industry dating back to its infancy in the early 80s. I am sure you have probably seen at least onc time the FBI warning which precedes all US releases. That is very serious and they do mean business. This doesn't mean that i don't think companies do stupid things sometimes, I remember many years ago Disney got upset at a Day Care Center because they had a mural painted outside involving Disney characters and threatened legal action  (stupid company) , Warner Bros stepped up to the plate and not only granted position for a mural using their characters but also sent a team of artists out to create it.(smart company)  But here in the US Copyright Violation is taken very seriously and they will enforce it, I have no idea what the triggers are that they use to decide, but....happen it does and if you are the wrong end, you're in big trouble. On a slightly off-topic but similar vein, the Federal Communications Commission also has regulations regarding an FCC sticker, I think it's Class B (but it's been a long time, on the back of all computers. My wife used to work for a company that bought their computers from a shop, low prices and so forth but ummm no sticker and no software licenses for Windows, I know this because I was doing some consulting for them in this regard. The Windows licenses would have cost them about $50K as I recall. The FCC and SPA both found out about the situation ( not from me)< i think a disgruntled employee turned them in, they got sued by Microsoft and The FCC fined them $1,000,000 dollars a day ( I think it was $5,000 per computer per day) until they got their computers certified and stickered. Needless to say that company no longer exists. Skip<shtugs> Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting hydr0x:
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Not to mention that most headshots are not taken from movies at all.
At present time, most headshots (of mostly famous actors) that can be found on the net are already in the database. The only way to add really new ones (generally for unknown actors), is to take screencaptures of them. I don't see how the fact that taking screen caps may be the only way to get pictures for unknown actors has any effect on the legal status of sharing those caps. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Screen caps...I don't know, deejay. I don't know how Hollyweird's legal eagles would view that. There are sites like DVDBeaver...but then again the customCover sites function only until Hollywood decides to shut them down. I really don't know.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Screen caps would fall under the right to quote a work (at least in Norway. Would guess it was similar in other countries). | | | 
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
Screen caps would fall under the right to quote a work (at least in Norway. Would guess it was similar in other countries). Interesting point, reybr.But nearly every book published in the US contains something similar to the following All rights reserved, including the right to reproduce this book or portions thereof in any form whatsoever Now this is interesting in that people in school quote books all the time, but they also give credit, or are supposed to in a bibliography, and under that umbrella I have never known of a book publisher to take action. But the language would SEEM to preclude even that.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | It seems that, regardless of copyright, screenshots may still be legally used under the principle of fair use in the U.S. or fair dealing and similar laws in other countries.
The fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.
This principle considers :
1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | On topic.
I support this request.
first of all, it does nothing to affect the way the sharing is done. I don't want to have all my pictures (regardless if I collect them myself or if I get them from the headshot db) in my actors.blb file. I'd much prefer to do as the martian does and keep them in a folder structure. This is just personal preference, that I may add was not available prior to 3.5. Now I personally have added very few if any pictures to my database before the addition of the use of a folder structure. But if I had, due to my presence, I would want to be able to take all the pictures I had added into the .blb file and extract them into the folder structure. That's all this feature request does.
I'd prefer option 2 because it gives users a choice. Those just starting off can do it either way. those who have had the program for a while need to redo all their images if they want to switch to a folder structure or just live with it.
Additionally, it doesn't affect the sharing method being done (I am in no way commenting on the legality of sharing, just that the current process doesn't have to change). First people could share zip files as The Martian said. This also allows for sharing of profile\movie specific pictures. But if the current method is kept those that want to participate but use the folders can import to a new database then extract all the images to the folders. If they want to also share what they added they can simply keep a separate database that they add any new images to in addition to adding them to the folder they use. Sure it's a little more work, but not really all that much if you care to contribute to the headshot db.
And just because some people seem to be missing it, using the folder (CreditPhotos) you can just put the images directly in that folder and they will be displayed for all profiles for that actor unless you have a upc\disc id folder for one of their profiles that contains an image for that actor.
-Agrare |
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