Oh really, Hal. then I suggest that you re-read the Rules,.

"For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.  Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

and for Crew
"Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead. 

I don't see anything in the Rules which refers to the linking or for you to be allowed to create whatever interpretation you wish. Twice the word used is EXACTLY, sorry, my friend you are way out in left field on this one. There is no wiggle room that supports your absurd claim AT ALL.

I can't even come up with a logical argument that supporst your contention, it simply does not exist in any context within the Rules. As for your precious linking that is constructed based data entry accurately of data as credited On screen, not data which is user-interpreted.

Your argument relative to JADAGRACE, also is designed to IGNORE what the Rules tells us to do relating to using srandard capitalization, so that you can try and muddy the water and ignore the real data. The FACT is thtat every actor in the Cast list is listed as CHRISTIAN BALE (for our purposes Christian Bale) except for this one avtress whois listed doifferently from EVERYONE else, JADAGRACE berry (again for our purposes per the Rules Jadagrace berry). Now you simply ignored the data in your Contribution and made no attempt to fix it and aklso ignored the Rules relative to the Puppeteer.s. All I am doing is correcting the dat so that it appears as it does On screen and removing the violation as it pertains to the Puppeteer. Thos, Hal, are FACTS, like it or not,now if you ask me what I thought when I saw Jadagrace berry, it was very simple...WTF..but the data is the data. The Rules tell us what we are to try and achieve which is to list the data EXACTLY as it appears and the ONLY way that can be acieved is via Credited As. I can't helpit, hal, i don't create interpretations, nor do i break the Rules and then attempt to defend it. I simply defend the rules,and your Contribuytion, my friend , had to be fixed.

Skip

Hal that is pure smoke and mirrors. READ the Rules. Then follow them

Skip

I did Hal, READ the Rules.

Now there is an easy fix for this. All you have to dois fix your Contribution including removal of the Pupeteers and i will gladly withdraw my Contribution. We have all gotten stuck by the Contribution from hell, and this one is yours. Just fix it. Stop trying to ignore or twist the Rules to include data which is clearly not Contributable, and other data which deoes not match the screen credit. this is not about me, hal, it's about you and sloppy work. I didn't even bring it to the forums. You got your nose bent because I not dared to vote No to your bad job, but then to pour salt in an open wound by submitting a CORRECT Contribution. You decided to bring it here and then started spinning and purported things in the Rules which simply put are NOT there. This is easy to fix, except that you can't say whoops.

Skip

As you yourself quoted the Rule:

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Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

The credit information for Ms. Berry is NOT entirely capitalized.

So for the fourth time, please explain why you entered the "Credited As" as "Jadagrace berry" instead of "JADAGRACE berry"?

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Quoting hal9g:

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The phrase "defined here as the end credits" refers specifically to credits at the end of the film as opposed to credits at the beginning.

Please read it again....you are not getting the context.  Pay particular attention to other references to "end credits".  It's meaning is only related to credits at the end of the film as opposed to the beginning.

If that is the context you think was meant, the people who wrote the rules must have thought we were all complete idiots. 

You must be forgetting who it was who headed up this effort! 

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Your position is indefensible, hal. The Rules are clear and there is no wiggle room.

Skip

Your entry of "Jadagrace berry" in the "Credited As" field instead of "JADAGRACE berry" is indefensible and is precisely why you refuse to answer my question...there is no explanation other than your misinterpretation of the Rules.

Can Ken create a permanent thread called "Bitching, Moaning, Name-Calling and Insulting of Others"?

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This is another example where a simple answer from Ken would help and it seems neither side is going to get anywhere here by arguing about it. 

In cases like this I truly believe that both sides have valid arguments and that the rules can be interpreted either way. But if I had a choice to include or not include just on the basis of my personal opinion, without consideration of what the rules say or don't say, including them would be nice. 

So Ken, which will it be? Doesn't matter which side "wins", what matters is that we have an answer from someone with power which stops these silly arguments in their tracks before it escalates to a mud slinging match.

Why, Vittra, does ken need to intervene everytime  someone wants to ignore the Rules. Does he need to change our diapers. the Rules is CLEAR, there is no doubbt, there can't be, except for those incapable of understanding the simplest of english

"For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". The section details both the actor’s Name and the Role that they played in the film. The credits may be listed "in order of appearance", "alphabetical order" or in an order of importance decided by the filmmakers. Some actors may be credited a second time in either credits at either the opening or close of the film."

There is no lack of clarity in those words.

Skip

Because if there was no need, there wouldn't be this discussion Skip.    What is clear as day to you is only because you feel your interpretation is 100% correct and other's are wrong. So again, Ken does need to step in to end these discussions before the escalate to what this already has. But the fact that you don't see that doesn't surprise me in the least.

On the subject at hand, I really don't care which way it goes I just hope a decision is made rather than 2 groups of people bitching about why their way is correct and the other's is incorrect.