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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMike
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so would you for instance make a boxset profile for The Mist, one for color one for B/w?
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I don't know the set but, box set profile no, bonus feature film profile...maybe.
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No I would not, Mike. We have no provision for B&W or Color and they are the same film and same formats. Not as the Rules read right now.

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I am still looking for something beyond just because. Please somebody anybody. What am I gaining with 4 or 5 Profiles with the same Cast/Crew data in the same release or even two for that matter. This reminds of the TV seris discussion where i kept asking why do i want 40 odd discs of data with the Parent, instead of children with smaller amounts of data which is easier to handle, and NOBODY ever gave me an answer that made any sense. I keep hoping somebody will say something, but I am not seeing it yet. The only major possible issues aside from Cast and crew are going to be runtime and perhaps Auidio/Subs, I would rate Audio/Subs as a bigger concern than runtime but still relatively speaking a minir point.

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Reasons to include a child profile for different cuts of the same film (may not be exhaustive!):

- May be different runtimes (Brazil and many others)
- May be different audio tracks
- May be different cast/crew data (Almost Famous)
- May be different bonus features on the disc (Almost Famous)
- May be packaged differently and therefore contain different overviews (Brazil)
- May have different ratings (many theatrical and uncut films)
- Users may wish to keep track of which cut they have watched via 'watched by' feature of the program
- May have different formats (currently done for DVD/Blu-ray combos)
- Perhaps may be originally released separately and later released as a box set
---- While they have not been released as a box, there are 3 separate cuts of the film Alexander and the OVA Kite available on DVD.  I could envision a scenario where Alexander could be released as a collection, if not Kite.
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Cass:

I am a lot more open to the different Cast and Crew, perhaps even the Overview (package Art issue you raised with Brazil, than anything else. The other issues, even Runtime should be able to be dealt with, I won't disagree with that premise, but is any of that really worth another profile or 4 or 5. I am not referring to different formats either, that to me is self evident.

For example when I tackled the Ben-Hur issue I was initially trying to figure out whether it would best be handled through the standard Boxset procedure of if something else was more appropriate. It took some wrestling but handling such releases as a standard Boxset really didn't make much sense, it was adding an unnecessary blank Profile. I simply don't think the best answer is going to be Multiple profiles for each and every version, unless there is a difference in Cast or Crew, or something else else more concrete like Overviews or Cover Art. I am trying to determine value-added and for the most part it just doesn't seem to be there.

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I don't know that I would treat most of these as box sets - i.e. with a mostly blank profile for the package & child profiles for each cut.  But I don't see the problem with treating the alternate cuts as bonus features.

The way I see it - most of these DVDs will have a 'main' feature.  The main (parent) profile would contain the information for that main feature.  If an alternate cut is included in the package, having a different disc (or separate side of a flipper), it could then be attached as a bonus feature (bonus profile).  Then those who would want the profile could download it and have it, and those who would only want the main feature as a profile could have that. 

Speaking toward the television show issue you brought up earlier (why have a single profile with the info instead of child profiles), that's also a choice.  I used to not download the child profiles at all, when I was numbering my collection as 'items bought' rather than 'features' - if you're counting that way, it makes sense to not download those child profiles.  (Then I found the 'no number' check box and renumbered lots of stuff...)

It just comes down to choice and preference.  Unicus cited the portion of the rules that could allow alternate cuts as bonus features, whether or not it was meant that way originally is immaterial, it only cites some examples and does not prohibit that there could be others.  Enough people want these extra profiles for their database, so why not allow them?  If someone doesn't want them in their local they wouldn't have to download them.
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Quoting Jubal:
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I am still looking for something beyond just because. Please somebody anybody. What am I gaining with 4 or 5 Profiles with the same Cast/Crew data in the same release or even two for that matter.

I can only speak to Blade Runner.

Each BD in the set has some different credits.  Among the three discs we have two different spellings for a screenwriter, two for the art director and at least one cast member who changed name spellings.

One of the three (the Workprint) has a single credit on screen (Harrison Ford). The rest of the cast is Uncredited and there are no crew credits because there are none on screen.
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Cass:

A bonus profile is a Profile and is ut really necessary, does it bring value added. Cast and Crew differences are useful adn i don't thin can be contained within a single profile, IF there are differences as tweeter noted. Runtime however is a whole nuther story, IF that is the differenc, more profiles just for a Runtime differential...you're losin me on that one, now do i think Runtime differential are an issue, yes, but certainly not worthy of profile just because that is the difference. There are other possibilities that can deal with that without a whole new profile. Features don't excite me either, at least until such time as we are better able to clarify those Features, instead of our current non-communicative Generics.

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Cass:

You did however highlight something which i have touched upon previously.

"Speaking toward the television show issue you brought up earlier (why have a single profile with the info instead of child profiles), that's also a choice.  I used to not download the child profiles at all, when I was numbering my collection as 'items bought' rather than 'features' - if you're counting that way, it makes sense to not download those child profiles.  (Then I found the 'no number' check box and renumbered lots of stuff...)"

This is a key point. I get talked down to and insulted frequently around here and at some point I wind up saying "you don't get it" This highlights that perfectly, only in this case I have said three years later that those who want all the data in a parent profile make absolutely no sense to me. In three years, you are the FIRST user that has tried to explain that, I will say the rationale of counting as iems bought seems a bit strange to me...but OK. This happens all too often and usually i chalk it up to user "What wehave here...is failure to communicate>" andthey don't really try, they instead talk down or start becoming argumentative and combative which leads me down the same road because we are not having a discussion any longer. I have major disagreements with Ken which are known to all, but I chalk that up to two programmers taking a different path to the objective, sometimes I understand his objective and sometimes it is less than clear. I have programmed far too many databases to not understand that there always multiple solutions to a problem...ALWAYS.

OK, ramble off, at least for now. I have a couple more in my back pocket however.

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Well Skip, you need a valid reason. Here is one for you. Viewing history, we allowed child profiles for TV series since it allows people to have an accurate viewing history. If I have a release with 3 cuts of the same movie spread over 3 discs, I can't accurately profile my viewing dates. I can add 3 dates to the main profile, but I have no way of telling which cut I watched on which date.
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I hate to be obvious, chris, but NOTES?

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hese are all valid reasons for using child profiles.
Also, we have a specific field for entering viewing information on which one can easily filter (viewed or not, viewed on which date, who has viewed what, etc). Why would we then use the notes field instead?

Skip, why keep insisting that users provide reasons for going with a box set when many valid reasons have already been given?
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Taro:

I have one question for you. Why do you keep lurking about to sling insults? You say very little that has any substance, but you have to throw your barbs. Ah but then I don't block you because sometimes you do have something really relevant to say. So you block but you still have to throw your insults, now just exactly what does that say about YOU. Hmmmmmmmmmm

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Billy Video
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Quoting Jubal:
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I hate to be obvious, chris, but NOTES?

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This is maybe a solution, but personally, I have never used notes. On the other hand the viewing date does allow for filtering.
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I really don't see what the question is here.

WE have a way that  this can be handled by users.  It is, at least to me, a valid profile.  It will have its own disc id and its own information.  It may very well be a duplicate of the other profile, but it is still different (Theatrical release on one side, unrated on the other).

If an individual wants to download the bonus feature film profile, then he will be able to do so, if he doesn't want it, then he doesn't need it.

If people want to have it as a bonus feature film, then I think by the rules this is allowed.
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