Quoting Dr Pavlov:

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No you are dead WRONG, surfeur.

Contribution rules for Crew and Cast :
Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.
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Rules are clear. Standard capitalization rules say FRANCOIS= François.

Rules have been updated February 4, 2009, and what you use to comfort your position was written one year ago, has not been used when rules were updated, and is now lost among the 170 000 posts of those topics...

OK it as happened again, have voted "Yes" (changes all to the rules) but mentioned Gerri's Post and put a link to this thread in my comments so it's now up to the screener if it is accepted or not

Quoting Forget_the_Rest:

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I've also just voted on one where they say that they've just done their locality & now doing this one. So far 2 "No" votes including mine. I don't mind if it's the other way around, ie someone from a locality copying from an existing profile. At least there they can visually compare the two but it's not possible the other way around.

I see its one that I have already voted on

I would go as far as to request an addition to the Rules concerning this matter as well...No Physical DVD, No means of Verifying, NO Contribution.

Steve

I'm right there with ya. pal.          

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Quoting snarbo:

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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:

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I've also just voted on one where they say that they've just done their locality & now doing this one. So far 2 "No" votes including mine. I don't mind if it's the other way around, ie someone from a locality copying from an existing profile. At least there they can visually compare the two but it's not possible the other way around.

I see its one that I have already voted on

I would go as far as to request an addition to the Rules concerning this matter as well...No Physical DVD, No means of Verifying, NO Contribution.

Would the same apply to Production Year, too?

To the Country of Origin? To the DVD Title (from the front cover)? To the DVD Release Date?
Overview (back of the case)? Genres? Rating (shown on the cover)? SRP?

Love, bbbbb

Glad I came in here to read opinions on whether or not you should change profiles that you don't own...


I'm a wordy sonofabitch... but here's my thoughts on the topics...

To veer slightly back on topic, I will throw my hat into the ring of people that say they don't mind when users do this. Actually, I've quite appreciated it the times it's happened with DVD's in my collection. Not nearly as many people own Canadian locality DVD's as they do from some other localities, and looking through my collection, it's quite daunting seeing the number of profiles that don't even have an original contributor attached to them, knowing full well those profiles probably need a good full audit done on them. I can only have so much of a non-life you know... 

I'm trying to weigh the positives against the negatives.

So far with users who have submitted contributions to some of the profiles I own, which I KNOW that the contributor doesn't own, I've seen common names be corrected, incorrect IMDB mined data be completely removed, proper studios get put in place (removing things like Columbia Tri-Star Home En. in favor of Columbia TriStar Home Entertainment), full cast and crew get submitted into the system etc. etc..

Yes, I'm fully aware that some profiles from region to region change. The Cars DVD mentioned earlier is a good example. But here's how I look at it.

Let's say someone did an audit to my Canadian Locality copy of Spider-Man (which I'm currently working on at the moment). The ENTIRE cast list, including character names, with the exception of maybe five or six actors, was a complete gong show. Actors not appearing in the credits were in the credits, character names were wrong, people were incorrectly tagged as uncredited when they weren't, common names were incorrect etc. etc. The crew list was a mess as well. Missing the full sound crew, most of the art crew, incorrect crew labels, incorrect crew all together etc. etc.

So someone from another region submits a contribution to fix it from their region profile. It fixes everything but let's say that other region has Stan Lee as credited during their credits, where as my region doesn't. So one bit of information gets submitted which is incorrect. Stan Lee ends up as credited when he shouldn't be. However, about 50-60 pieces of CORRECT information get submitted as well....

I know incorrect information is never good, but what would one rather have in the system? 99% correct information with one error, or about 60% correct information with a chance the profile won't ever get a friggin' audit?

Sorry, if those are the choices, I'll take the 99% correct information any day of the week.

I keep thinking of that problem with those two actresses that were somehow credited together in the film Armaggedon, that someone actually started a thread for asking for the actresses to be separated by users who owned the profiles. Months and months later, only a few profiles had actually been corrected, until someone bumped the thread again, and still, I'm betting there are incorrect profiles in the system. If someone had taken it upon themselves to submit the correct info for all profiles, the problem would have vanished, the system would have had correct information, CLT counts would've been more accurate etc. etc.

Or even Birth Years. If someone would go through and add all the Birth Years to Morgan Freeman (big job, not saying someone should do it), or remove them all from John Cleese... it betters the system.

So yeah, even though I don't necessarily think it should be done with every profile (and that is in fact what the yes/no votes are for, if you see incorrect information, vote no... or am I the only one who regularly checks the profiles before voting?), and I'm well aware that starting a topic and asking for help from the actual owners should be the way to go, I'm all for people trying to correct the system by helping out other localities if nothing else pans out.

Quoting Merrik:

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...Not nearly as many people own Canadian locality DVD's as they do from some other localities, and looking through my collection, it's quite daunting seeing the number of profiles that don't even have an original contributor attached to them, knowing full well those profiles probably need a good full audit done on them. I can only have so much of a non-life you know... 

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In the case of the US and Canada there are many profiles using the same UPC where the only needed change is for SRP and the Rating. For lots of R1 DVDs the same item is sold on both sides of the border. This would make fixing almost all of the data easy. I think that it is also common in R2 for the same DVD with the same EAN to be sold in more than one locality. For this type of DVD, fixing the common data in more than one profile should be OK.

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Quoting northbloke:

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Maybe we should say that you can only do it if the disc ID on the other profile matches yours?

That should be pretty safe if you're only contributing disc related info.
But still you'll have to be aware if there are dubbed versions included. If I contribute a norwegian release of Ice Age, I'm only including norwegian voice cast, so this should not overwrite any danish voice cast, in the danish release.