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Standardization of Non-American Names
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributoreommen
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Martin,

I wasn't referring to naming standards in our (Netherlands) society. I was only referring to the standard within in DVD Profiler community, especially the central profile db.

To use a standard within the DVDP community to maximise profilts like cross linking etc. seems only fine to me. That doesn't mean I'll Americanise outside that confinement 

Glad your withdrawal is limited.
Eric

If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Quoting Daddy DVD:
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How can I be on my own if everybody in the Netherlands uses the same standard. We don't have a middle name and suffixes are written without a comma and in low caps. It's not something I invented. You may like to have a general standard, hell even I do, but one could always use other techniques to enforce good name entering either by rules or by selective use of the filter (only for some countries of origin). To force everybody to use only the American standard for all names is not very decent.

BTW, if you think the statement I made was a threat to stop contributing completely, you misunderstood me. I just do not want to contribute things I consider wrong. The small percentage of Dutch names I hate to be changed will not be noticeble.

Let me try and help, martin. The way I read what eommen rightly is saying is this. The Netherlands doesn't run the world naming standards, neither does America. BUT this program is American based...when in Rome...you know the rest.   As I have said before were this program based in Germany or Koreaor somewhere else I would expect to have make some adjustments to my cultural thinking processes to allow for the difference in the country of origin of the Program. I would not be expecting them to adjust their program to me, I would adjust to the program. Further I have stated that Profiler has no culture beyond the data as it is displayed On Screen, suffixes and prefixes are part of that data from time to time, and thus you need to adjust to that and not expect the program to adjust to you.

I often times think that people don't believe me when I say I am culturally blind, but it is true. I do what the data tells me to do, nothing more or less. I can enter data from a French film just as easily as i can from an American film. The ONLY time when there is any difficulty is when I have to deal with characters that are beyond the program...but that's not my fault...I can't do anything about it.

I truly do not understand what all the hubbub about this stuff is, it was designed to as easy as it could be done and from editing THOUSANDS of titles I can without any hesitation tell you that 99.5% of the time it is insanely easy.

Skip
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Outta here

Billy Video
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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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it was designed to as easy as it could be done

Unfortunately, it wasn't. We've only been given multi-interpretable field names ("first name", "middle name" and "last name"), and not ever a single piece of guidance on how to deal with parsing. Despite both your, mine, and probably everyone else's "insanely easy" data entry, we don't all parse the same way, and neither the rules, nor the screeners, declare any method the "better" or "correct" one - leading to multiple, non-linking entries for just about every three-piece name in the database. Not in your database probably, and certainly not in mine, but definitely in the online database. As of yet, I don't see any signs of improvement.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Tim:

The guidance has been given, the fact that you don't wish to accept it is not my fault. It's just another case that tells me that you are more interested in your personal interpretation than you are in the Rules. I am sorry, but i don't know any other way to see it. I can only try. As I said Tim..the Program is US based, you are in Rome. Don't tell the Romans what to do. It IS easy if you will just listen...therein lies the problem.

Skip
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Billy Video
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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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The guidance has been given, the fact that you don't wish to accept it is not my fault.

This is not about me - you may have noticed that I actually disagreed with the original poster. I'm just pointing out the big picture.

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It's just another case that tells me that you are more interested in your personal interpretation than you are in the Rules. I am sorry, but i don't know any other way to see it.

Again with the insults. Why? What have I done now?

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As I said Tim..the Program is US based, you are in Rome. Don't tell the Romans what to do.

I never said anything about favoring The U.S. "standard", the Dutch "standard" or any other "standard". I'm just pointing that we have NO standard for when it comes to parsing whatsoever. You have your method, I have mine, Martin has his, and so on. I see the screeners accepting different methods of parsing for the same names every day. There IS no standard - that's the problem I'm pointing out. Again: I fully realize that you don't have a problem, just as I don't have a problem. It's the online database that suffers. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.

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It IS easy if you will just listen...therein lies the problem.

You say that to me? While you clearly haven't read anything I wrote? 
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributoreommen
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Call me stupid, but I think we're beginning to nitpick on how we phrase things, we subsequently understand or misunderstand them.

We are basically united in that we do not agree with Martin's original post. A lot of the rest is cultural background info on parsing.

This parsing thing keeps on popping up every so many months or so. It used to be on Chinese and Korean names especially, but as others said, it is wider. Then again, I guess we do not solve it, really.

BTW, Skip understood me correctly.

Anyway, as long as I still see newbies parsing part of a family name in the middle name field (like "de" or "de la" or...), we still are in the basics. Parsing all given names in the first and middle name fields is then of another order. 

I think I am going to watch a DVD. Some people even believe that what they're meant for ... 
Eric

If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak.
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