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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote: I just don't understand that. The case type is the same whether the title has two movies in it or just one. If one look at the cases, they would look exactly the same regardless if it is one movie or two movies inside them (talking about digipak inside slipcase now).
To me, it still looks like people are confusing box set profiles with case types. Trust me when I tell you I am not confusing the two. I have written quite a few post explaining the difference... Quote: I posted this in another thread, but didn't get any response
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What I don't understand, is that people see a difference between a single title in one digipak inside a slip case and several titles in one digipak inside a slip case. The only difference I can see is the profile type (the one with several titles has child profiles). The case type is, in my opinion, the exact same.
The only explanation I can think of is that they confuse the it with the profile type, but if there is another explanation, please share it with me.
So if anybody can explain the difference to me, I would appreciate it You are correct, there is no physical difference so I can't give you an explanation. What I have suggested is how we might deal with this...in light of Ken's recent statement...going forward. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | So since there are no physical difference, why should we make it different?
EDIT: The way I see it, and have always seen it, is that if it's just one unit inside the slip case, we use what is inside the case. If it's more than one unit, we use box set (now renamed to slip case). And that's how I read Ken's post, although since English isn't my native language, the first part of his post was very confusing | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity | | | Last edited: by reybr |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote: So since there are no physical difference, why should we make it different?
EDIT: The way I see it, and have always seen it, is that if it's just one unit inside the slip case, we use what is inside the case. If it's more than one unit, we use box set (now renamed to slip case). And that's how I read Ken's post, although since English isn't my native language, the first part of his post was very confusing I am not saying we 'should', that is just my opinion of how *I* would do it. In the end, I am always willing to go with the majority so, if the majority goes your direction, I am fine with that as well. Edit: to include the 'edit'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
I am not saying we 'should', that is just my opinion of how *I* would do it. In the end, I am always willing to go with the majority so, if the majority goes your direction, I am fine with that as well. That's what I will do too. I just can't understand why people want to make two identical cases different. Just trying to understand here. | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity | | | Last edited: by reybr |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Posts: 426 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
No, and I don't think that is what Ken intended either. After getting a better nights sleep in my own bed, I have read and reread Ken's statement. The fact that he mentioned 'Box Sets' is key...at least for me.
If that is the case (that that is not what Ken intended) then this is first of all getting one big joke. I am pretty sure that I am now not alone with changing those few Digipaks that were profiled as Boxset (and already getting all Yes votes, mind you). If Ken did NOT intend that, then I can start changing them back, plus the majority of profiles that were already profiled as Digipak. This just proves what I've said a couple of times: it just looks to me as if Invelos couldn't care less about those rules. If in a heated debate like this, Ken shows up and then manages to set a statement that again is misunderstood by most of the community, this is just too ridiculous for words. Also, the fact that he doesn't monitor this one forum topic further to just clarify this ASAP also annoys me. Conversely, even if he did intend that (i.e. only use Slipcase/Boxset when there are multiple inner cases) I still think that a) he could have worded is much clearer, b) he should already long have modified the rules webpage to set things straight. *sigh* |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote: So since there are no physical difference, why should we make it different?
EDIT: The way I see it, and have always seen it, is that if it's just one unit inside the slip case, we use what is inside the case. If it's more than one unit, we use box set (now renamed to slip case). And that's how I read Ken's post, although since English isn't my native language, the first part of his post was very confusing FWIW. I agree. The profile type should not have any influence on what we call the case type. If the slip case has 1 unit inside then use what's inside for the parent and any children if applicable. If the slip case has more than 1 unit then the parent should be slip case and the children use the inside case. Although I'm not sure what we should do with a slip case set with more than 1 unit that has only 1 profile, eg a movie and bonus disc in separate keep cases. | | | Stuart | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
Although I'm not sure what we should do with a slip case set with more than 1 unit that has only 1 profile, eg a movie and bonus disc in separate keep cases. Previously, I would have used box set as case type for those. That means slip case now. To me that seems most logical. But my logic isn't always the same as other's logic | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
FWIW. I agree.
The profile type should not have any influence on what we call the case type.
If the slip case has 1 unit inside then use what's inside for the parent and any children if applicable. If the slip case has more than 1 unit then the parent should be slip case and the children use the inside case.
Although I'm not sure what we should do with a slip case set with more than 1 unit that has only 1 profile, eg a movie and bonus disc in separate keep cases. I may be reading it wrong, but I don't think that's what Ken meant. The way I read it is: if there are child profiles attached, then we use the case type of whatever holds the child profiles together. If there are no child profiles, then we use the case type of whatever contains the disc(s). But until this is all sorted and is in the case type thread and is in the rules, why can't everybody just leave well enough alone? I can't believe that people are already submitting changes base on something that's not even in the software yet! If any turn up in my list, they're getting a no vote straight away. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
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No, and I don't think that is what Ken intended either. After getting a better nights sleep in my own bed, I have read and reread Ken's statement. The fact that he mentioned 'Box Sets' is key...at least for me.
If that is the case (that that is not what Ken intended) then this is first of all getting one big joke. I am pretty sure that I am now not alone with changing those few Digipaks that were profiled as Boxset (and already getting all Yes votes, mind you). If Ken did NOT intend that, then I can start changing them back, plus the majority of profiles that were already profiled as Digipak. This just proves what I've said a couple of times: it just looks to me as if Invelos couldn't care less about those rules. If in a heated debate like this, Ken shows up and then manages to set a statement that again is misunderstood by most of the community, this is just too ridiculous for words. Also, the fact that he doesn't monitor this one forum topic further to just clarify this ASAP also annoys me. Conversely, even if he did intend that (i.e. only use Slipcase/Boxset when there are multiple inner cases) I still think that a) he could have worded is much clearer, b) he should already long have modified the rules webpage to set things straight. *sigh* First, let me say that I could be 100% wrong about what Ken intended. It wouldn't be the first, nor will it be the last time. Second, yes, Ken could have worded it differently but not everybody has the ability to communicate in the manner that you would like them to. It is what it is. Third, I don't know why you think Ken should have modified this rule long ago. While I knew there was an issue in the name of the 'case type' being the same as a profile type, I had no idea that there was an issue as to when it should and shouldn't be applied re: single releases. I don't expect Ken knew there was a problem either...but that's just my opinion. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | I think you're right there Unicus, I think Ken said what he thought would sort out the confusion, only for us lot to find a loophole almost straight away! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | Okay I'll try and explain it, your profiling a set that contains serveral movies, so your going to do a Parent profile and child profiles.
So side the discs however they are packaged in the slip case out, and start profiling each movie.
When you profile the movie, what is holding the disc you are currently profiling. Digipak, keepcase, snapper, thinpak, ect. That is your case type for that child profile.
Keep doing each child til your done.
Now you need to make the parent profile, your holding the slip case in your hand, there are no discs being held by that slip case they are being held by whatever means can possibly hold them the child profiles will tell you what is holding each disc. Now remember a box set can be packaged by some other means than just a slip case. So really your parent would be whatever case type that you could place all the children together. So for this example we are talking about a slip case so that is what you use for the parent.
If that still doesn't make sense, then just default to that is how Ken wants us to handle these type of profiles. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
If that still doesn't make sense, then just default to that is how Ken wants us to handle these type of profiles. Nope. Still doesn't make any sense, but thanks for trying. I appreciate it And we don't know if that's how Ken wants us to handle it. The first part of his post makes it look like that, but the second part tells us the exact opposite (at least that is how I read it). And it doesn't look like I'm the only one that is confused. Unicus has said that he think he understands it, but he isn't sure (sorry if I step on you toes here, Unicus), and so has others. So we really don't know if that is how Ken wants it. For me it comes down to the fact that they are the exact same physical "thing" (It's late. I couldn't come up with a better word). Why profile to exact physical things in two different ways? Anyway. It's late and I should be in bed a long time ago. | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity | | | Last edited: by reybr |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | However they might not be the exact same thing, I've had releases that have various case types housed in a slip case. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote: Nope. Still doesn't make any sense, but thanks for trying. I appreciate it
And we don't know if that's how Ken wants us to handle it. The first part of his post makes it look like that, but the second part tells us the exact opposite (at least that is how I read it). And it doesn't look like I'm the only one that is confused. Unicus has said that he think he understands it, but he isn't sure (sorry if I step on you toes here, Unicus), and so has others. So we really don't know if that is how Ken wants it.
For me it comes down to the fact that they are the exact same physical "thing" (It's late. I couldn't come up with a better word). Why profile to exact physical things in two different ways?
Anyway. It's late and I should be in bed a long time ago. Just so we are clear, and no you didn't step on my toes, I understand it the same way Tracer does. However, I can see it from your point of view as well because 'physically' there is no difference. The only difference is in the way they are profiled. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: I think you're right there Unicus, I think Ken said what he thought would sort out the confusion, only for us lot to find a loophole almost straight away! Let's say the usual suspects found a loophole straight away. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,436 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote: And we don't know if that's how Ken wants us to handle it. The first part of his post makes it look like that, but the second part tells us the exact opposite (at least that is how I read it). While I agree that it may need further clarification from Ken, I understand unicus' explanation that way, that we have to see Ken's two sentences as separate statements. First: The slip case cover type is intended to be used when it is the only case for the profile, as in for a box set.Therefore, if it is a Box Set profile, the Slip case is the only case for that profile, as the inner case(s), like digipak, will not be for the parent but the children. Then: If there is only one inner case, use the inner case type.If it is a single-profile DVD, then there would be several cases for that profile, the Slip Case and then the inner one; digipak or whatever. Here we choose the inner one. TV Series, which don't necessarily have child profiles, will therefore have the inner case type. | | | Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan. Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
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