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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Hey Skip...
The rules for this wasn't clear at all to me. So you think if there is nothing on the case what so ever then the field should be empty in profiler? While I can understand that viewpoint. I don't see it as being clear in the rules. And if that is what Ken intends then I think it should be added into the rules as such. Yes I do, Pete, anything else would be invention of non-existent data. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Brazil was actually a bad example as while both DVDs are the same cut, neither is the R-rated version. |
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 16 |
| | Posted: | | | | In the case of Criterion Collection titles (as well as Anchor Bay and Blue Underground), they usually publish the MPAA rating on the back of the case so when they choose not to, I figure it's for a good reason. It seems to me (according to the rules) that these should be UNRATED because a rated version was previously available (but the new BD/DVD says NR or nothing at all).
Ace, in the case of The Man Who Fell to Earth, I pulled my contribution because I just don't know really what it should be rated (I've been updating profiles to UNRATED to match the new rules). Previous DVD releases (with the same running time 139 min) were rated R and the movie was rated R in 1976, but for some reason, Criterion did not include the rating on this release. This suggests to me that maybe a minor change was made for this release (it does often happen). | | | | Last edited: by 0ddba11 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | LOL, good reason...hmmm, Odball. Criterion "Fiend Without a Face" contains NO RATING of any sort and with good reason, it was released in 1958, long before there was ever ANY sort of ratings system in the United States. Image is not required to submit any movie to the MPAA, particularly the older ones, in Europe I understand it would HAVE to be submitted to some ratings board. So it has never been rated in the States, there is NO DATA, No Data is a null field. To say otherwise is inventing data. I never believe is creating data where no data exists in fact. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 16 |
| | Posted: | | | | But I'm talking specifically about movies that were orginally rated by the MPAA for its USA theatrical release, but the BD/DVD does not include the rating (even though it appears to be the same cut). Should we use the original rating (even if it's not listed on the cover) or use UNRATED? Or NR (which is what we have been using before the rule change)? Seems to be a gray area. | | | | Last edited: by 0ddba11 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well oddball, in the instance you describe, assuming their is NO data on the package, that would be MY choice and the way I will handle it here. But the Rules do allow for filmratings.com to be used, I fear this will lead to misrepresentations, not intentionally on anyone's part, but that's what the Rules allow for. I just follow the data, amigo, if it's there fine, if it's not i won't make it up.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip... take a look at THIS POST Ken has said in that situation you can use filmratings.com only if you can document that it is the rated version on the disc. Edited to fix the post link | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Okay, Pete, fine by me. Then the answer is if it's not there then don't invent it. No Data=Null Field. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 16 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Ken has said in that situation you can use filmratings.com only if you can document that it is the rated version on the disc. How would we document this? This is all I can think of: -cite running times (from theatrical presentations and previous BD/DVD releases) (+/-1 minute) -cite ratings from previous BD/DVD releases (that have matching running times) -cite the fact that the packaging doesn't advertise anything new or different (about the cut included). | | | | Last edited: by 0ddba11 |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Criterion does list MPAA ratings on a lot, but also omit them on a lot, including at least half a dozen where I can't find any reason to believe there's an alternate cut. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | If the ratings is not included, Ace, then you have to go by what pete said. idf that doesn't work then there is no rating at all. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 16 |
| | Posted: | | | | Changed my vote to NR. Just downloaded an update and I didn't like seeing Howards End (BD) listed as Unrated when I know it's the PG version. It's just wrong.  | | | | Last edited: by 0ddba11 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Okay, Pete, fine by me. Then the answer is if it's not there then don't invent it. No Data=Null Field. Wouldn't that be a change of policy? Up to a few minutes ago I thought that a DVD without any rating on the cover would be profiled as NR. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| | Posted: | | | | So glad, for once, at the UK rating system... Everything except a few educational exemptions must be rated by the BBFC and If rated by the BBFC but no rating on the cover = Illegal to sell. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
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Okay, Pete, fine by me. Then the answer is if it's not there then don't invent it. No Data=Null Field.
Wouldn't that be a change of policy? Up to a few minutes ago I thought that a DVD without any rating on the cover would be profiled as NR. You thought correctly. If there is no rating on the case, and it doesn't meet the standards for 'Unrated', it is entered as 'NR'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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