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The continued nightmare we call parsing: Judy Ruskin Howell
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Found a newsletter here that refers to her as Judy Ruskin-Howell

Hollywood.com, although doesn't have much on her also refers her as Ruskin-Howell, as does artist direct.

IMDB (gasp) refers to her as Judy L. Ruskin

Personal opinion Judy//Ruskin Howell

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Same here. Of course, a single name field would still do wonders, too. 

Agreed... but unfortunately Ken don't want that. 

Someday he might change his mind on this.
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with any luck
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Of course, a single name field would still do wonders, too. 


I don't see how one field name would solve any linking problem. And we would loose all sorting possibilities, reducing a great part of the interest of a database. If you (generic) want a photo of credits, just ask for screen captures. If you (generic) want to use database functions as sorting and filtering, you need data that allow the sorting/filtering.
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The single name field suggestion always came tied in with an extra "sort name" field which would allow names to be sorted (locally) any way you wanted - just like with the title sort field.
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The single name field suggestion always came tied in with an extra "sort name" field which would allow names to be sorted (locally) any way you wanted - just like with the title sort field.

I always understood that. But to fill the sort name field, you have to solve parsing. So you just get extra work to enter a redundant field, without any advantage.

And do not forget that a one field name will not link Jean Paul Belmondo with Jean-Paul Belmondo (of course, both are in CLT...)
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The single name field suggestion always came tied in with an extra "sort name" field which would allow names to be sorted (locally) any way you wanted - just like with the title sort field.
But to fill the sort name field, you have to solve parsing

Only for yourself, it would be a local field to do with whatever you pleased. I'm sure the program could fill in a "default" sort name for you, just as it currently splits the name for you on new entries, but you can override it any way you like.
And Jean Paul vs. Jean-Paul is a separate issue, they wouldn't link no matter how you parsed the name.
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Is that all it takes? But in one of the previous parsing threads, there also was one hyphenated "Carole Bayer-Sager" credit out there - yet we elected to parse that as C/B/C... Let me stress that I'm not trying to argue, but that I'm trying to find a pattern I can use for future, similar cases...  If one hyphenated credit swings the deal here, then why didn't it for Carole Bayer Sager?

That was because, at least for me, her official website refered to her as 'Sager' rather than 'Bayer Sager'.  Absent that type of reference, I go with the hyphenated credit.
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I'm sure the program could fill in a "default" sort name for you.

Unfortunately, I'm sure of the contrary. When I see how Ken manages accented names, the worse can be expected of an automatic default sort name. That means to have to review probably thousands names to be sure to get back your correct entries. I see it as a pure nightmare.

And to be more precise, take this thread. It is obvious, without any need of discussion, that we should have Judy//Ruskin Howell. Anyway we have still people in favor of Judy/Ruskin/Howell. What will decide an automatic system ?
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There's a big difference here: your local cast data isn't compliant with the rules.


Wrong. My local cast data is compliant with the rules. It is not compliant with Ken's clarification, that, two years ago, said the contrary of what Gerri wrote two years and one week ago. This clarification is buried among thousands pages of the forum. People here choose not to follow rules, but most contributors who do not come on forums contribute following present rules (those that are written on Rules section). Your contributions, which are not compliant with those rules, are a cause of non linking entries.
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Wrong. My local cast data is compliant with the rules. It is not compliant with Ken's clarification, that, two years ago, said the contrary of what Gerri wrote two years and one week ago. This clarification is buried among thousands pages of the forum. People here choose not to follow rules, but most contributors who do not come on forums contribute following present rules (those that are written on Rules section). Your contributions, which are not compliant with those rules, are a cause of non linking entries.

Liar!!! Ken's clarification (paraphrasing: "for DVD Profiler purposes, É = é, E = e") is the rule. I'm willing to let much of your misguided posts go unanswered, but I'm not going to sit here and let you accuse me of contributing rule-breaking data. I most certainly do not. I follow the "É = é, E = e" principle as Ken told us to do. With that simple, universal and foolproof method, I haven't ever had any problem dealing with accented names. Not ever. Would you now please stop derailing threads with this nonsense about accents? We've been over it a hundred times, and the matter is settled. Again: É = é and E = e. End of story.
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... Ken's clarification (paraphrasing: "for DVD Profiler purposes, É = é, E = e") is the rule.


Rule, taken from here:
"Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly  as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.  " No more, no less, except bold by me.

On the contrary of what you did, I will not call you a liar. Just you do not see things as I do. You consider my position as wrong, and you will not convince me. I know I will not convince you, that's why I already wrote that I consider the online data as definitively lost.
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You consider my position as wrong

I do indeed: me following Ken's subsequent public clarification that É = é and E = e does not make me a rulebreaker. Sorry, but you've really pissed me off this time.

And please, PLEASE: this thread is about a simple parsing question - why oh why must you drag this accents nonsense into it, for the umpteenth time?
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And please, PLEASE: this thread is about a simple parsing question - why oh why must you drag this accents nonsense into it, for the umpteenth time?

This is the part the bugs me the most...the constant thread derailment.
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And please, PLEASE: this thread is about a simple parsing question - why oh why must you drag this accents nonsense into it, for the umpteenth time?

This is the part the bugs me the most...the constant thread derailment.

Agree
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I know, it's a side-issue but for what exactly would I need a sorted cast list in a movie/TV show?
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