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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, it cannot Hal I quoted the table to you. I love selective reading and interpretation. Must I really provide a screenshot for you. The Crew table says specifcally that OMB=Based on [anything] By PERIOD. I don't like it, it was yet another ill-advised Rules change but it IS for contribution. WOW
You and others were arguing that the keyword is Created By in this case Characters By, but BASED ON. be consistent, Hal. If the keyword Based On and you are following the Rules then the credit IS OMB, but i won't use it. NOT A CHANCE. Congratulations to the user who got Ken to make this ill-advised change, we don't have enough problems. And congrats to ken too.<shakes head>
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Rules do not say that I must enter any credit. If I choose not to enter "Based on Characters by..." into the OMB field, there is nothing in the Rules that tells me that I must enter it there. At the same time, the OCB credit says: Quoting the Rules: Quote:
Used for screenplays based on characters from another work, credit the author of the characters here. For example comic adaptations and sequels. This tells me that I can enter a "Based on Characters by" into this field as well. So that's where I choose to enter it. Perfectly allowable under the Rules. Is it selective? You bet! It's also correct! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yeah and Based on Star Trek...is Created by for exactly the same reason. There's your problem you are reading what you want to create or ignore as the case may be. You have to be consistent and you aren't. Don't forget that OMB also says Adapted from another medium, you are arguing with the wrong person, I didn't make the suggestion and I didn't make the change. The suggestions was WRONG and the change was way WRONG but until Ken changes it IS, we can both do whatever we want to locally and i agree with how you see it, but with respect to the Rule we are both "wrong". I am not going to defend a rule which is WRONG, but i won't Contribute data which does not correspond to the Rule either...no matter what I think of the Rule. We both have two choices, Hal, we can Contribute to the Rule (like it or not) and then change the data to what we want it to be or we can choose not to Contribute, I have chosen the latter because the rules have become, with all due respect to Ken an abortion that makes no sense and for me to Contribute to the rules and then convert would take me an extra hour per title, I am not gonna do it, it's not worth the heartburn. Some users say they aren't going to do anymore than they have to and they get defended for that, to me, horrible attitude, I just have decided not to play, I used to enjoy it and i used to consider it valuable, but no longer...sorry Ken and i am not alone in this...not by a long shot. To say I am extremely sad and disappointed would be gross understatement, I am sorry ken. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Yeah and Based on Star Trek...is Created by for exactly the same reason. There's your problem you are reading what you want to create or ignore as the case may be. You have to be consistent and you aren't. Don't forget that OMB also says Adapted from another medium, you are arguing with the wrong person, I didn't make the suggestion and I didn't make the change. The suggestions was WRONG and the change was way WRONG but until Ken changes it IS, we can both do whatever we want to locally and i agree with how you see it, but with respect to the Rule we are both "wrong". I am not going to defend a rule which is WRONG, but i won't Contribute data which does not correspond to the Rule either...no matter what I think of the Rule. We both have two choices, Hal, we can Contribute to the Rule (like it or not) and then change the data to what we want it to be or we can choose not to Contribute, I have chosen the latter because the rules have become, with all due respect to Ken an abortion that makes no sense and for me to Contribute to the rules and then convert would take me an extra hour per title, I am not gonna do it, it's not worth the heartburn. Some users say they aren't going to do anymore than they have to and they get defended for that, to me, horrible attitude, I just have decided not to play, I used to enjoy it and i used to consider it valuable, but no longer...sorry Ken and i am not alone in this...not by a long shot.
To say I am extremely sad and disappointed would be gross understatement, I am sorry ken.
Skip "Star Trek" is a "concept", therefore, it is a different medium. Roddenberry did not create DS9, Voyager or Enterprise or any of the TNG movies. Entering him into to DVDP with a "Created By" credit is absolutely wrong....especially when someone else is already given that credit in the actual credits. To say that Piller and Roddenberry have the same credit in DS9 is nonsensical and simply destroys the validity of the data. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting bbbbb:
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In my case "The Story" the film is based on was an article by a british journalist, previously published in a magazine.
The context helps a lot: OMB it is. Agreed. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Have I entered crazy land? Skip is arguing based on what makes sense and Hal wants slavish devotion to the rules, no matter how nonsensical the results. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Have I entered crazy land? Skip is arguing based on what makes sense and Hal wants slavish devotion to the rules, no matter how nonsensical the results. Unfortunately, the results are only nosensical to you. I find the results quite acceptable. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Have I entered crazy land? Skip is arguing based on what makes sense and Hal wants slavish devotion to the rules, no matter how nonsensical the results. How would the results be nonsensical when the OCB credit would be put in the OCB field instead of the OMB field? Or for a "Based on...." credit to be in the OMB field? I'm not following your logic at all!  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
How would the results be nonsensical when the OCB credit would be put in the OCB field instead of the OMB field? Or for a "Based on...." credit to be in the OMB field?
I'm not following your logic at all! From what I can tell, he is still talking about the OMB credit for Roddenberry. He thinks giving Roddenberry, and an author who's book was turned into a movie, the same credit is nonsensical. His exact words were, " Treating Gene Roddenberry's role in Voyager the same as Jane Austen's in Clueless is nonsensical." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Have I entered crazy land? Skip is arguing based on what makes sense and Hal wants slavish devotion to the rules, no matter how nonsensical the results. No you haven't. I always argue based on logic and rationality, it is the lack of same that has allowed this program to head of into no man's land. Between users who can't comprehend basics and users who twist and bend the rule, not to mention those that will not go any further than they must, 5 years from now....  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not to mention users who don't understand basic english and sentence structure. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Like YOU, maybe.  Was that really necessary, martian. I know you believe you are end all be all to parsing and over the years you have certainly caused more than your fair share of difficulties with the program but back handed insults are uncalled for.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Like YOU, maybe. If it makes you feel better to believe it is me, who am I to burst your bubble.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | What makes me feel better, martian since you want to play this silly game, is the knowledge that you aren't half as smart as YOU think you are. I don't know why you wantb o play games....wait a minute...yes, I do know. LOL, a bunch of users have convinced not to Contribute and now they want their next conquest. I am seeing a pattern emerge, fascinating and truly sad because it is having such a negative impact on a wonderful program.
I won't grant the satisfaction.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm talking about this. Story by and based on a story by are the same thing. Somebody comes up with a story which is not put in a concrete form like a novel or comic book or anything, then a screenwriter adapts this into a movie. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quite correct, Ace. As I have said Based on Anything By=OMB was iil-advised and completely illogical.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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