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If we are going to interpret the rules this strict, then all the rental editions in the database should be removed, because those are "not for sale" either. The same goes for any DVD that e.g. comes as a bonus with a magazine (there are plenty of those) or as a bonus with an audio CD (even though the rules specifically provide for the latter).

Now is that what we really want?

Well deejay< i would say that rental editions are NOT opart of the database UNLESS they werte purchased as prte-viewed, but just because you rented them...Hell no.

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By the same token, you could argue that previewed rentals that were sold off were sold illegally (as quite often the rental's cover will state that it's not for resale) and hence should be removed from the database. These however still meet the rule requirement just a few lines further down which says "The main database should contain information about legal, professionally produced discs.", since the disc itself is legal whereas it being sold isn't. Much the same goes for promo DVDs that come with magazines, newspapers, audio CDs - you name it: they're perfectly legal, but selling them separately isn't.

There are loads of these in the database, and usually their status as a rental or promo is very obvious. If they weren't meant to be in the database according to the rules, then why were they allowed in in the first place?

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I see no reason why this DVD should not be contributed. You've got my vote 

I think it can go in, even if it's a grey area I don't see what harm it could do? I've got a fair few DVDs that were free with Newspapers.

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I could see a very real legal made by Paramount that could shut down production of these privately made films, using Profiler as evidence, this could result in these "Studios" being forced to shut down.
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And you don't think the website ww.Startrekofgodsandmen.com is evidence enough for Paramount if they wanted to do something about it?

This DVD is professionally made. When you buy something from that site, you get the DVD, but you still pay to get the DVD, thus it is sold. I don't see any good reason to keep the DVD out of the database.

Appararently it is already in the database, so why not have correct info in the profile if we can?

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IF you are familiar with these production, then I assume that yiou know the conditions under which they are tolerated by Paramount and that has nothing to do with the website.

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What impact exactly? DVDP will be closed down? users would leave? Come on Skip.... you are WAY too stiff !

I also agree that there is absolutely no reason that this shouldn't go in the database.

Skip, you picked up on 'sold' DVDs only in the rules. If you want to be technical, whenever these 'free' DVDs are given away, they are always paid for by something. Whether it be buying a magazine or newspaper or making a specific purchase amount at the till, they are still SOLD. We just don't pay for them directly. So there! 

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"DVD Video, HD-DVD Video, and Blu-ray Video" discs (including MiniDVD): These discs contain movies, television shows, music performances and other professionally-produced and sold DVDs.

Guess we should take out the Free DVDs when you purchase 5 boxes of Kellogg's cereal too. Those aren't sold, you can only get them when you buy the cereal.

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The DVD is not sold, NO ONER can purchase it, so mcuh as it pains me. We can't list it, and the reason that it is not sold is because of Coopyright on Star Trek held by Paramouunt. Such things are allowed to be produced and even tolerated by Paramount as long as money is not being made.If they sold them then Paramountwould enter the picture very quickly and rightfully expect a piece of the pie.

This argument is flawed. No one can purchase it, but anyone can obtain it. More people can obtain this than bonus DVDs often given away by Best Buy, yet those bonus DVDs are allowed into the database. Why? Because they are legitimate DVDs, as much as this one. This is a legitimate and legally obtainable DVD, as much as the DVD I legally obtained from the show I was at. Guess what? I'll be submitting that. It wasn't something that was sold, I'm not quite sure it has a UPC, but it's submittable.

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The question that I have for ray, since you enjoy these, why would want them in a platform (DVDProfiler) where they become in effect salt in an open wound to Paramount, therebuy per haps endangering future productions.

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This doesn't even make sense. I'm quite sure Paramount doesn't scour the Profiler database looking for fan films that are submitted.       

Even if they did, why would they have a problem? If there was a problem at all, they would have shut these cats down long ago. You are the one that has no idea how these productions work.

Do you ever wonder how it is that you have almost 15,000 posts, but yet nobody finds you helpful enough to warrant a star or two under your name? Hint: It has something to do with your abrasive posts and attitude.

Do you even own this movie? I would venture not. I have this feeling you put any movie you come across in your want list, just so you can get the opportunity to get on another soapbox.

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What impact exactly? DVDP will be closed down? users would leave? Come on Skip.... you are WAY too stiff !

It may not impact DVDProfiler directly...liorb, but it could lead the shut down of outside Star trek Productions, which i dor one would not like to see, despite that in one of them they have a 950' Enterprise maneuvering like an F-18 fighter.

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No, it won't.