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Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: But if enough users feel a lock is warranted, they can get a lock on a data field. Ahh yes, the Back to the Future (025192-212123) box set parent maneuver. Or doin' a BTTF! | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote: How many members does this site have? A few years ago there were over 500,000 DVDP accounts. I have no idea how many there are now. |
| Registered: September 29, 2008 | Posts: 384 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: How many members does this site have? A few years ago there were over 500,000 DVDP accounts. I have no idea how many there are now. While this might have been back when the program was free, I think Ken has actually come out to say that there aren't near that many "paid" accounts. Otherwise he'd have retired by now I'm sure . Even at $20 (which I understand the program used to cost?), that would amount to about 10 million dollars which I'd guess Ken does not have . And given that the program can still be used at least in a basic sense without a paid account, I can see there are many users of that type, but still nowhere near 500,000 people, but then again I could be off in that assumption. As far as the topic at hand, the only difference between DVDspot's system and this one is that the "Editors" aren't part of the community like others have pointed out. The voting system is there to make the Editor's decisions more accurate. Since they don't own every disc obviously. Your suggestion and DVDspot's system worked well due to the fact that all information was taken from online sources, not the disc's themselves. IMDB being a big part of it. So it didn't take much for the user base Editor's to verify this information. This database is completely different in where it's sources lie so a user base system wouldn't be quite as effective (not saying it would be much different then Invelos employees, just that there aren't many advantages to it). As these users would still have to "guess" whether the information was correct unless they owned the disc in question. While the voting system has it's flaws I do believe it's in the database's best interest to stay. And even though votes don't necessarily make or break a contribution (it's always up to the Invelos screeners at the end of the day), I'm sure that many of the comments help them make the "right" decision. | | | "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire | | | Last edited: by Vittra |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I have never had a problem with any contributions I have made. I have made an occasional mistake...okay, I admit it...more than a few! When this occurs I expect to receive "no" votes; sometimes I will receive a private message instead explaining why the voter believes my contribution is incorrect. If this occurs I double check my contribution and reread the rules. More often than not I have made a mistake which I then correct and resubmit. If I had received a private message, I send them a note thanking them and letting them know I have corrected my error. If, after careful analysis, I still feel that my contribution is correct, and I have followed the rules, I will post an edit with an additional explanation. If the person sent me an a private message, I will send them a note explaining my rationale for leaving the contribution as it is. It is then up to the screeners to decide whether to accept or decline the contribution. I never take "no" votes or contribution declines personal, nobody is perfect...not me...or even DVDP! We can strive for it, of course, but perfection is something that can never be achieved. But I believe that if someone is taking the time to contribute data, they are doing so to the best of their ability. Because the forum is impersonal and the people reading it are from around the world, I think carefully about what I am going to say and how it will be perceived. I have never had a problem or received "crap" with any contribution I have made or voted on...not once. I have had disagreements but they have always been done with respect on both sides. |
| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | Agree with Kathy 100% | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Vittra: Quote: Quoting lyonsden5:
Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: How many members does this site have? A few years ago there were over 500,000 DVDP accounts. I have no idea how many there are now.
While this might have been back when the program was free, I think Ken has actually come out to say that there aren't near that many "paid" accounts. Otherwise he'd have retired by now I'm sure .
Even at $20 (which I understand the program used to cost?), that would amount to about 10 million dollars which I'd guess Ken does not have .
And given that the program can still be used at least in a basic sense without a paid account, I can see there are many users of that type, but still nowhere near 500,000 people, but then again I could be off in that assumption.
As far as the topic at hand, the only difference between DVDspot's system and this one is that the "Editors" aren't part of the community like others have pointed out. The voting system is there to make the Editor's decisions more accurate. Since they don't own every disc obviously.
Your suggestion and DVDspot's system worked well due to the fact that all information was taken from online sources, not the disc's themselves. IMDB being a big part of it. So it didn't take much for the user base Editor's to verify this information. This database is completely different in where it's sources lie so a user base system wouldn't be quite as effective (not saying it would be much different then Invelos employees, just that there aren't many advantages to it). As these users would still have to "guess" whether the information was correct unless they owned the disc in question.
While the voting system has it's flaws I do believe it's in the database's best interest to stay. And even though votes don't necessarily make or break a contribution (it's always up to the Invelos screeners at the end of the day), I'm sure that many of the comments help them make the "right" decision. Most of the info is taken from the dsic but backed up by online sources which are a lot more accurate than you seem to take credit for but find no one takes this idea seriously so what ever. |
| Registered: September 29, 2008 | Posts: 384 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote:
Most of the info is taken from the dsic but backed up by online sources which are a lot more accurate than you seem to take credit for but find no one takes this idea seriously so what ever. I never said it wasn't accurate... I just said that it isn't where DVDspot's data came from in almost every situation. I was a member of DVDspot as well and loved that site. I'm merely stating that this is a different world here at DVDprofiler and they do things a tad differently, but not by much. I do believe in most situations online databases such as IMDB are pretty accurate. I wasn't debating that fact, but I do believe that what this database is going for is great. And in many situations that I've come across is indeed more accurate then IMDB (especially when auditing my own titles which many are of a niche genre). I was merely trying to answer your question that you provided by starting this thread. I don't believe this database is perfect. I believe there are many areas that could be improved upon (cast/crew linking anyone ). But, I just don't believe that doing as you suggest would have any impact on the way things work for the reasons I gave previously. The contribution process, at least in regards to the areas you are suggesting changes to, is something I've actually quite liked about this site, and don't feel needs changing. Again this is what you asked in your thread. If something should be changed about the contribution process I'd say partial accepting with itemized descriptions of why something didn't get accepted is something this site sorely needs, but that's a discussion for another day. | | | "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire |
| | Berak | Bibamus morieundum est! |
Registered: May 10, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote: Quoting Vittra:
Quote: Quoting lyonsden5:
Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: How many members does this site have? A few years ago there were over 500,000 DVDP accounts. I have no idea how many there are now.
While this might have been back when the program was free, I think Ken has actually come out to say that there aren't near that many "paid" accounts. Otherwise he'd have retired by now I'm sure .
Even at $20 (which I understand the program used to cost?), that would amount to about 10 million dollars which I'd guess Ken does not have .
And given that the program can still be used at least in a basic sense without a paid account, I can see there are many users of that type, but still nowhere near 500,000 people, but then again I could be off in that assumption.
As far as the topic at hand, the only difference between DVDspot's system and this one is that the "Editors" aren't part of the community like others have pointed out. The voting system is there to make the Editor's decisions more accurate. Since they don't own every disc obviously.
Your suggestion and DVDspot's system worked well due to the fact that all information was taken from online sources, not the disc's themselves. IMDB being a big part of it. So it didn't take much for the user base Editor's to verify this information. This database is completely different in where it's sources lie so a user base system wouldn't be quite as effective (not saying it would be much different then Invelos employees, just that there aren't many advantages to it). As these users would still have to "guess" whether the information was correct unless they owned the disc in question.
While the voting system has it's flaws I do believe it's in the database's best interest to stay. And even though votes don't necessarily make or break a contribution (it's always up to the Invelos screeners at the end of the day), I'm sure that many of the comments help them make the "right" decision.
Most of the info is taken from the dsic but backed up by online sources which are a lot more accurate than you seem to take credit for but find no one takes this idea seriously so what ever. There is no need for online sources (in most cases anyway), as we rely on the disc itself for the information we're after. This has been explained to you in detail several times, yet you persist on critizing the system. If you feel you have better ways of obtaining your information, please keep it local, and move on... | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away! True love conquers all! |
| Registered: September 29, 2008 | Posts: 384 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: Quoting Vittra:
Quote: Quoting lyonsden5:
Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: How many members does this site have? A few years ago there were over 500,000 DVDP accounts. I have no idea how many there are now.
While this might have been back when the program was free, I think Ken has actually come out to say that there aren't near that many "paid" accounts. Otherwise he'd have retired by now I'm sure .
Even at $20 (which I understand the program used to cost?), that would amount to about 10 million dollars which I'd guess Ken does not have .
And given that the program can still be used at least in a basic sense without a paid account, I can see there are many users of that type, but still nowhere near 500,000 people, but then again I could be off in that assumption.
As far as the topic at hand, the only difference between DVDspot's system and this one is that the "Editors" aren't part of the community like others have pointed out. The voting system is there to make the Editor's decisions more accurate. Since they don't own every disc obviously.
Your suggestion and DVDspot's system worked well due to the fact that all information was taken from online sources, not the disc's themselves. IMDB being a big part of it. So it didn't take much for the user base Editor's to verify this information. This database is completely different in where it's sources lie so a user base system wouldn't be quite as effective (not saying it would be much different then Invelos employees, just that there aren't many advantages to it). As these users would still have to "guess" whether the information was correct unless they owned the disc in question.
While the voting system has it's flaws I do believe it's in the database's best interest to stay. And even though votes don't necessarily make or break a contribution (it's always up to the Invelos screeners at the end of the day), I'm sure that many of the comments help them make the "right" decision.
Most of the info is taken from the dsic but backed up by online sources which are a lot more accurate than you seem to take credit for but find no one takes this idea seriously so what ever.
There is no need for online sources (in most cases anyway), as we rely on the disc itself for the information we're after. This has been explained to you in detail several times, yet you persist on critizing the system. If you feel you have better ways of obtaining your information, please keep it local, and move on... Pretty sure he was referring to how DVDspot worked since that's what I was talking about, but I could be wrong. | | | "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Berak: Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: Quoting Vittra:
Quote: Quoting lyonsden5:
Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: How many members does this site have? A few years ago there were over 500,000 DVDP accounts. I have no idea how many there are now.
While this might have been back when the program was free, I think Ken has actually come out to say that there aren't near that many "paid" accounts. Otherwise he'd have retired by now I'm sure .
Even at $20 (which I understand the program used to cost?), that would amount to about 10 million dollars which I'd guess Ken does not have .
And given that the program can still be used at least in a basic sense without a paid account, I can see there are many users of that type, but still nowhere near 500,000 people, but then again I could be off in that assumption.
As far as the topic at hand, the only difference between DVDspot's system and this one is that the "Editors" aren't part of the community like others have pointed out. The voting system is there to make the Editor's decisions more accurate. Since they don't own every disc obviously.
Your suggestion and DVDspot's system worked well due to the fact that all information was taken from online sources, not the disc's themselves. IMDB being a big part of it. So it didn't take much for the user base Editor's to verify this information. This database is completely different in where it's sources lie so a user base system wouldn't be quite as effective (not saying it would be much different then Invelos employees, just that there aren't many advantages to it). As these users would still have to "guess" whether the information was correct unless they owned the disc in question.
While the voting system has it's flaws I do believe it's in the database's best interest to stay. And even though votes don't necessarily make or break a contribution (it's always up to the Invelos screeners at the end of the day), I'm sure that many of the comments help them make the "right" decision.
Most of the info is taken from the dsic but backed up by online sources which are a lot more accurate than you seem to take credit for but find no one takes this idea seriously so what ever.
There is no need for online sources (in most cases anyway), as we rely on the disc itself for the information we're after. This has been explained to you in detail several times, yet you persist on critizing the system. If you feel you have better ways of obtaining your information, please keep it local, and move on... Like i said that's what im doing and while certain other ppl are present in your contributing system i refuse to take part in the process. Not that anyone's going to lose any sleep over that and your all obviously happy with your near flawless system so yeah carry on nothing to see here. Edit: I suppose it is a bonus if you disagree with the online system then you can fall back on your ability to taylor your own local database so yeah that deserves credit. | | | Last edited: by ShinyDiscGuy |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote: Like i said that's what im doing and while certain other ppl are present in your contributing system i refuse to take part in the process. Again with the slap at Skip. For all his faults, he did contribute a lot to this community: Accepted Profile Contributions: 4944 Accepted Image Contributions: 3549 Contribution Votes Cast: 13583 Profile Links Submitted: 1426Other than complain about how bad Profiler is, and how great DVDspot was, what have you contributed? Well, Skip seems to be gone and with him goes your excuse for not taking part in the process. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 762 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: I suppose editors are like screeners but more final in decisions with contributions over the mass of everyone's view point on each submission. Otherwise known as Ken & Gerri Cole? I don't really understand the request. Invelos has it's own screeners who are removed from our discussions here. I've seen contributions go to a second level of consideration, which I assume is Ken & Gerri, but I don't really know. I think we already have what you are asking for except we're not part of it. Everything discussed here is just users giving their opinions. There's nothing binding. The true test is what Invelos accepts in a contribution. Often there's a discrepancy between what Invelos accepts or declines and the decision that "the forum" would have made, but that's the way it is. Exactly my thoughts. |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: Like i said that's what im doing and while certain other ppl are present in your contributing system i refuse to take part in the process. Again with the slap at Skip. For all his faults, he did contribute a lot to this community:
Accepted Profile Contributions: 4944 Accepted Image Contributions: 3549 Contribution Votes Cast: 13583 Profile Links Submitted: 1426
Other than complain about how bad Profiler is, and how great DVDspot was, what have you contributed? Well, Skip seems to be gone and with him goes your excuse for not taking part in the process. A lot ppl contribute things in all aspects of human life and society. It still don't change the fact that some are a holes. Sure i respect what he has done for this site it's his manner and the way in which he does it is what's in question. If he could change that it would be his greatest contribution to this site. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting FilmAlba: Quote: A lot ppl contribute things in all aspects of human life and society. It still don't change the fact that some are a holes.
Sure i respect what he has done for this site it's his manner and the way in which he does it is what's in question.
If he could change that it would be his greatest contribution to this site. Not totaly unexpected, but you completely missed the point of my post...not that it matters at this point. As I said, it appears that Skip has left the building so you will have to find another excuse not to participate. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,321 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't understand the complaints about contributing and one particular user. I have other issues with him, but he's never given me an incorrect No vote (keeping in mind that I've contributed very little). I've heard others complain and their complains may be totally valid. But I've not encountered it personally.
Regardless. Whether it's Skip or someone else. If you get a no vote, you should take it seriously and investigate. If you determine that the no vote was valid, then fix the problem. If you determine that the no vote was not valid, then let them have their opinion and see how the vote goes. If you get declined, go back and look at the no votes again and be sure that you understand the rules. If it seems to be an invalid decline of your contribution, try it again. Otherwise come here to get input on why you got no votes.
I don't understand why a single no vote from one particular user causes people so much anxiety. He's allowed his opinion, whether it's right or wrong. Let the voting system do it's job. It's not 100% accurate, but most of the time it works quite well. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting FilmAlba:
Quote: A lot ppl contribute things in all aspects of human life and society. It still don't change the fact that some are a holes.
Sure i respect what he has done for this site it's his manner and the way in which he does it is what's in question.
If he could change that it would be his greatest contribution to this site. Not totaly unexpected, but you completely missed the point of my post...not that it matters at this point. As I said, it appears that Skip has left the building so you will have to find another excuse not to participate. I will try and get my Blu-ray collection on here. |
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