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King Arthur title question
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
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Agree with Martian, CharlieM and richierich on this one.

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@ Skip: this question - as I understood it - is about the title of the DVD (Profile Title). Hence only the front cover matters, according to the rules. The on-screen title (i.e. what the filmmakers put in what the rules call "the film's credits") determines the Original Title, not the profile's Title. So I think your point would be valid if the Original Title was at stake here. But that doesn't seem to be the case.
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I don't understand why everybody thinks they know more than the filmmakers. Just follow the data, the answer is obvious and keep your personal preference out of it, it has absolutely no place in the Online, keep it local Charlie. The filmmakers made their choice and it is obvious, the Theatrical version has no title other than King Arthur, there ios no Theatrical Edition On Screen nor anything. But for the DC the FILMMAKERS decided it was part of the title.

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I do not understand your statement here.  Please define filmmakers.  I always figured the true filmmakers were the directors, writers and producers.  Now personally, I believe that if they had the opportunity to show what they wanted at the theater, it would have been the this director's cut.  But for some reason, either a rating issue or time issue or something, it was shortened to what was seen in the theaters.  So the filmmakers, in my opinion, did not make this choice, the studio or production company did.

So I personally don't see your justification for how you see this.  The cover does state this edition, and the DVD opening title card also states this, but on the other hand the copyright block, upc label, the DVD Title Menu, the overview and even the label on the DVD itself says only "King Arthur".  Again these were all decided by a studio, or media company to label it this way. 

So I ask you again, What did the Filmmakers want?  You also cannot know.
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The original title is also King Arthur (as clearly everyone who doesn't just want to pick arguments knows)

Official film page HERE
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The original title is also King Arthur (as clearly everyone who doesn't just want to pick arguments knows)

Official film page HERE


Great documentation. Thank you.
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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"Director's Cut" is clearly in a different font and much smaller font size on the cover and we have DCs all the time and it was never part of the title, so my reading of the rules tells me this is the way to go.


Why would being in a different font matter? It's a sub-title, just as with for example Die Hard 2: Die Harder. Or is "Die Harder" a part of the edition since it's in a smaller font?

The fact that 'Director's Cut' also is in the credits (not the menu, but the credits) tells me that the moviemakers considers it a different movie than the regular cut.

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As my edit to my previous post explains, what the filmmakers - whoever they are - wanted is irrelevant when it comes to determining the profile's Title. The rules say "Use the title from the front cover.", period.
I would however suggest entering "King Arthur: Director's Cut" in the Original Title field, as the rules instruct us to "Use the title from the film's credits" for that field.
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The fact that 'Director's Cut' also is in the credits (not the menu, but the credits) tells me that the moviemakers considers it a different movie than the regular cut.


Correct, but that needs to go into the Original Title field, not the profile's Title.
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Why would being in a different font matter? It's a sub-title, just as with for example Die Hard 2: Die Harder. Or is "Die Harder" a part of the edition since it's in a smaller font?


Counter question: What about Special Edition in the very same picture? Does it suddenly become part of the title, too?

Forget it, I'm out of this thread, it's going nowhere anyways - with or without me.
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I honestly can't see how the rules would allow for any other form of data entry than
Title: King Arthur
Edition: Director's Cut: Extended Unrated Version
Original Title: King Arthur: Director's Cut.
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I honestly can't see how the rules would allow for any other form of data entry than
Title: King Arthur
Edition: Director's Cut: Extended Unrated Edition
Original Title: King Arthur: Director's Cut.


It's all an interpretation about what the title on the cover is. I can see both sides in this argument.

One question though. Why Director's Cut before Extended Unrated Edition. After all EEU is above DC on the cover? 

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The bigger question is this. 

We obviously go by the title on the cover, and apparently it may very well make a difference on how and where it is positioned:

How many other titles will this effect?

Blade Runner?
Payback?

where does it end?
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I honestly can't see how the rules would allow for any other form of data entry than
Title: King Arthur
Edition: Director's Cut: Extended Unrated Version
Original Title: King Arthur: Director's Cut.


It's all an interpretation about what the title on the cover is. I can see both sides in this argument.

One question though. Why Director's Cut before Extended Unrated Edition. After all EEU is above DC on the cover? 


Ah yes, a second look at the front cover made me see your point. Sorry for being overly confident. 
The alternative view would then be:
Title: King Arthur: Director's Cut
Edition: Extended Unrated Version
Original Title: blank.

Personally, I would still choose my original interpretation, but your mileage may vary...
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I agree with DJ Doena and hal9g.

The first important info is the title: "King Arthur"

Next is the info about the movie-cut or version. So I would enter "Director's Cut" in the first place of the "edition"-field.

last info is about the DVD-version / release-version, that's "Extended Unrated Version" and should come after "Director's Cut".


Title = "King Arthur"
Edition = Director's Cut Extended Unrated Version

(or Edition = Director's Cut - Extended Unrated Version)

I'm not sure if we have rules for separating info in the edition field with a "-", but I would prefer it, because it makes it easier to read.



There is a rule.  seperate with a colon, so for your opinion

Edition  Director's Cut: Extended Unrated Edition

Just to clarify


I believe the colon Rule is only for the Title field, not the Edition field.  Personally I prefer no punctuation, but I would not vote no if a colon were used.
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Because it never is. It's a variant/edition/cut of the movie "King Arthur". For example "Blade Runner" has five different cut versions, among them the "Director's Cut" and the "Final Cut". It's still "Blade Runner".

Why isn't it part of the title, Karsten. It is the On Screen title. Why do you know more than the filmmakers. They made the decision.

DC is very clearly part of the title. It is NOT a possessive, the Rules do not allow for any other sourc but the Rules do say "The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself.".

I don't understand why everybody thinks they know more than the filmmakers. Just follow the data, the answer is obvious and keep your personal preference out of it, it has absolutely no place in the Online, keep it local Charlie. The filmmakers made their choice and it is obvious, the Theatrical version has no title other than King Arthur, there ios no Theatrical Edition On Screen nor anything. But for the DC the FILMMAKERS decided it was part of the title.

Skip


"Director's Cut" is specifically a selection in the Edition Field drop down selection list, therefore for the purposes of DVDP it belongs in the Edition Field......period!
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There is a rule.  seperate with a colon, so for your opinion

Edition  Director's Cut: Extended Unrated Edition

Just to clarify

Actually, as James pointed out in another thread, there isn't.  This is the rule, "Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break."

There is no mention of editions, only titles.  Hal's version is correct.

Edit: Hal's version is almost correct.  He used 'Edition' where it should have been 'Version'.



Right you are!
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I like "Extended Unrated Director's Cut" like written on back cover. This combines the whole Editon imo.
"Extended Unrated Version - Director's Cut" or "Director's Cut - Extended Unrated Version" would also be Ok and i think this would also give no cause for a No-Vote.
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