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Vanity producer credit vs. Production Company credit....
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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I'll take Unicus over you any day of the week, Tim.

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So how does this differ from my Walt Disney example?

The simple answer is, it doesn't.  There are exceptions to every rule but, in the vast majority of cases, a credit such as I described is a vanity credit.

You guys don't have to take my word for it as I will happily keep my correct studio data to myself.
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As wil I, Unicus, as will I.

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As someone who has been a part of discussion like this in the past I have to agree with Unicus on this point.

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I'd have to agree with Unicus as well.  I have seen a number of vanity producer credits on foreign films - credits that I don't think are the kind of credits Unicus is talking about.  These are credits where you have a US producer who is like 'I think this movie's cool, let's bring it over' and then he is credited in the US release as 'X presents.'  Quentin Tarantino has done a couple of these, like The Protector and Hero.  If I'm right on how I understand these, he's not part of the production crew for the actual film, he's just bringing it over/lending his name to the company bringing it over.
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I do find it funny that you asked for documentation but did not provide any, to back up your statement that my experience is incorrect, other than "IMO". 

Fact is, there is a credit in the opening credits. You're claiming that this credit is not a real credit but only a "vanity" credit. I don't believe you. Who should bring the documentation for your claim?
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I voted YES on this submission but I have to add that perhaps more documentation in this case would have made it easier for all users to accept the submission.

I understand your reasoning, Uniccus, and I also agree with you, but in the end, your deduction is based on semantics and your own personal knowledge/common sense.

I've noticed first hand that even though a submission is 100% correct, based on common sense that any sane person should understand, that still such submissions can be turned down because there isn't proper 'exterior' documentation provided. In this case, I think another user who voted YES provided an interesting link to help substatiate your contribution, where it is said that the name of the production company actually differs from that person's name.

I think providing such documentation would help convince users who doubt, rather than providing 'common sense' type statements.

just my 2 cents on the matter ...
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I do find it funny that you asked for documentation but did not provide any, to back up your statement that my experience is incorrect, other than "IMO". 

Fact is, there is a credit in the opening credits. You're claiming that this credit is not a real credit but only a "vanity" credit. I don't believe you. Who should bring the documentation for your claim?

On what basis have you decided that I am wrong?  If you have no basis, other than "IMHO", why should I give your opinion any consideration?  I'm not trying to be an arse, I gave my reasons for why I am confident in my knowledge.  You don't have to believe or agree with me, but don't tell me I am wrong unless you have something to back it up with.
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@ Taro

I understand what you are saying.  I didn't bother with the actual production company name, that this person runs, because I didn't think it was necessary.  To me, it was obvious.  Clearly that was a mistake.

The sad part is, if the credit was "A Rob Cohen Film" or "A Michael Bay Film"...both real examples of vanity director credits...we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.  But, because this guy is a producer, it is automatically assumed that he should get entered.

As I said, and nobody has to believe me, this is a common producer credit that comes in many forms.  I just saw one recently, “A Burg/Koules/Hoffman production," that is simply every producers last name.  Are you really telling me, the general 'you', that I have to enter that as a studio? 

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As I said, and nobody has to believe me, this is a common producer credit that comes in many forms.  I just saw one recently, “A Burg/Koules/Hoffman production," that is simply every producers last name.  Are you really telling me, the general 'you', that I have to enter that as a studio? 

It can be, sure. Maybe not often, but as I said on the previous page: we really can't rule that out based just on formatting.

Since you brought up "A Burg/Koules/Hoffman production", I'll show a seemingly similar example I stumbled upon recently: "The 'Burbs". The credits say: "Imagine Entertainment Presents a Rollins-Morra-Brezner Production". Now, I gather you'd immediately dismiss the latter as a "vanity credit"? But then how would you explain the fact that of those three names, only Mr. Brezner actually gets a real "produced by" credit a bit further on? There's no sign of Mr. Rollins or Mr. Morra. Since they're not listed as producers, nor in any other capacity, I have no reason to believe that "Rollins-Morra-Brezner Productions" isn't a production company - on the contrary.

So again: I have no doubt that there are many cases in which you're absolutely right, but there are also plenty of examples where such credits do refer to actual production companies.
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I guess you missed my post, the second from the top on this page, where I said "There are exceptions to every rule but, in the vast majority of cases, a credit such as I described is a vanity credit."  So, yes, there are cases where it is a production company, but it isn't the 'norm' so people shouldn't automatically assume that it is.  The safer assumption is that it isn't.

Oh, and you gather incorrectly.  I am a studio buff, have been for a long time...30 years or so...when it comes to studio data, I dismiss nothing.
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when it comes to studio data, I dismiss nothing.

Good! Me neither.
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I guess you missed my post, the second from the top on this page, where I said "There are exceptions to every rule but, in the vast majority of cases, a credit such as I described is a vanity credit."  So, yes, there are cases where it is a production company, but it isn't the 'norm' so people shouldn't automatically assume that it is.  The safer assumption is that it isn't.

Oh, and you gather incorrectly.  I am a studio buff, have been for a long time...30 years or so...when it comes to studio data, I dismiss nothing.


I fully accept you know far more than me about such things and will even accept that usually it's a vanity credit. But in this case all the evidence I could find albeit quickly was that it wasn't so I was hoping for some evidence to justify the changes.
In this case as I said early on it appears there is a production company by this name and it was the comapny that distributed the early release advertising posters so had at least some part in the distribution. Could this be another one of the exceptions?
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Anything is possible.  The production company he runs is called 'Original Film".  Several sites, including IMDb, list that as the production company for the film.  Where they got their information, I do not know as it isn't in the credits...and I looked for it.

While I did find a listing for 'Neal H. Moritz Productions', this film was not listed under that filmography.  I am currently watching the F&F quad.  I hope I can find a more definitive answer by the time I am finished with them.  If I do, I will let you know.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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