Tim & Martin:

We do the same thing with Edition, we capture data that is already available elsewhere in the Program, including DTS and Widescreen and i am sure there are others. AS noted as well relative to "production Year" of the Boxset, that data TOO is available as the release and that will be accurate 99.99% of the time since most Boxsets are not available prior to the release date. I am not arguing one side or the other, I am merely pointing that argument is relatively weak and even were people to suddenly say stop using DTS and Widesvreen or any other such data, I would say NO, we have been doing it this way, I was against it but i lost and i don't want to keep editing the SAME data repeatedly based on user whims. So, like I said, whether I agree or disagree, it is what it is, leave well enough alone.

Skip

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Gemini, I have no idea how bifg your library is, btut mine is sizable and no where near the largest. For anyone to expect users to go back and change what they have been doing per the rules, which would involve thousands of new edits simply due to a "new"-user whim is not realistic and for those of us with large collections downright insulting (in a sense). Edit and re-editing the same data field repeatedly simply due to the interests of the moment is of absolutely no interest to this user. This week this way, next week the other way, and then back again, no thanks. I am trying to respectful and reasonable but this one where I will say it is what it is, anything else is fine locally.

Skip

Doc, I'm not saying you should do anything.

But as I recall it, the title of this vote is Production year of boxset. And I got the impression the thread started wanted to see what people felt regarding this issue. I'm not the threadstarter, so I don't understand why you make this into a mission to get me. I'm simply saying what I would prefer if the question was asked, which it was.

Yes, I know you got you answer, and yes, I will also do my best to follow the rules, as I've stated earlier.

But as people went on, on this discussion, I was simply adding my vote to the discussion. Not saying the rules should be changed, or that any other vote would be wrong. Simply what I would prefer, hadn't the rules dictated otherwice.

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I must confess that I have bent this rule from time to time...

I do a lot of documentaries profiles, and have no clue of what the production year are (or the thetrical release date as the rule says) from time to time, and have asked here before without any conclusion other than to be carefull because it is not easy to set this dates...  eksample a war box from the WWI with arcive material from 1914... when was this first released? it could be for the first time this days..

And as the profile must have a year set to come thru I have from time to time just put in the year of the box, and have thereby voted for this in this poll, and I don't care if this puts a lot of work at hand for those who have large box set collections. have seen bunch contributions with less important info because of rulechange before.

The production year is normally stated in the credits (usually at the end with the copyright notice), and IMO this is exactly why the rule regarding release should be changed to production, rather than theatrical, as production year can easilly be documented from the credits whereas theatrical release cannot....

That I fully agree with, in particular calling it "Production Year" & then asking for the theatrical release can be rather confusing as it's possible that they're different years.

Yeah, I'm with you -- try parsing "The Big Sleep" -- filmed one year, almost released the next, then refilmed, re-edited, rereleased the next year -- not easy to enter correctly in this program, unless you want to keep it local.

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And you are free to do so locally, Gemini. There was quite a bit of back and forth on this topic at the time, with supporters on both sides.

Skip

Of course, nobody ever said logic had anything to do with what rules get put in place. 

Now, now John. There was logic involved, whether you agree with the logic or neither validates nor invalidates the logic. Personally, I don't recall if I took a position on this myself, I do remember that I could (and still can) see both sides of the argument.

I did some looking back through the archives with surprising results.  First of all, we had to pick something because at the time you couldn't submit a boxset profile without a production year.  Not sure if you can today or not.  The left us to choose between the year the box set was released, the production year of the earliest title and the production year of the latest title.

The truly surprising thing is we voted 9-3 in favor of making the production year the year the boxset was released, not the production year of the earliest title!

With that said, I personally don't see enough value in changing hundreds or thousands of profiles at this point for such a minor thing.  We already have the release date of the boxset.  What value would there be at this point in changing all those profiles just to duplicate that date?  Or even to eliminate it?  Especially considering that the current data does bring a small amount of value to some.

Another point is that with something like the Walt Disney Treasures line for example, the earliest production year isn't available though any other means since we don't create profiles for each cartoon on the set.

So I have to agree with Skip.  It's not worth changing at this point.