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David Ogden Stiers
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I, for one, didn't say Ogden was his middle name.

If it's not, then we shouldn't put it into the "middle name" field.
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He's listed as "Stiers, David Ogden" on this site for whatever that's worth.
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Same question: can you give some examples of three-piece names (not articles, mind you) where you WOULD parse the last two into the "last name" field? Not trying to be argumentative, but I'm honestly currious. Does that situation even exist, as far as you're concerned?

I'll answer.

Off the top of my head, No, can't think of one.  I'm sure they are there in the database but i can't think of any.
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I, for one, didn't say Ogden was his middle name.

If it's not, then we shouldn't put it into the "middle name" field.

Do, please, keep the comments in context.
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For once and for all: credits that say DAVID OGDEN STIERS tell you nothing about parsing.

Sure they do.  Barring evidence to the contrary, two spaces, two slashes: David/Ogden/Stiers

What is this, other than your own preference? Can you point me to the section of the rules where this is detailed? Like I told Skip: please let's keep this discussion sane and leave this out of it. The credits don't tell us ANYTHING about parsing - never.
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Based on tweeter's find, i think we can conclude that the parsing is D/O/S, last name being STIERS.

@Tim

The reason I bring it up because i am not the one has problems parsing names, I KNOW how to do it. Nor am I one who will apply American naming conventions or lack thereof to people who are not US citizens, note I did not say by birth. I start from a default position with ANYN given name and then will modify it based on evidence which i might find at some point down the road. I don't really care about a family history, I am dealing with the data that I see On Screen and nothing more, thus all my data matches up very nicely and very easily, I don't have to run around chasing my tail worrying about culture and family issues, it is simply what i see On Screen. This has worked for 5 years and is much easier to deal with than wondering  about "correct", it is based simply on the data I see.

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Same question: can you give some examples of three-piece names (not articles, mind you) where you WOULD parse the last two into the "last name" field? Not trying to be argumentative, but I'm honestly currious. Does that situation even exist, as far as you're concerned?

Sure, our favorite, Helena Bonham Carter.  In many interviews and articles, she is referred to as Bonham Carter rather than Carter.
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He's listed as "Stiers, David Ogden" on this site for whatever that's worth.

That's two pieces of eveidence which says D/O/S is CORRECT, that's all I need to know.

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Same question: can you give some examples of three-piece names (not articles, mind you) where you WOULD parse the last two into the "last name" field? Not trying to be argumentative, but I'm honestly currious. Does that situation even exist, as far as you're concerned?

I'll answer.

Off the top of my head, No, can't think of one.  I'm sure they are there in the database but i can't think of any.

Now we're getting somewhere. That makes these threads rather pointless, isn't it: you're simply going to say 1/2/3 every single time. I've seen Helena Bonham Carter, but surely she can't be the only one? Any other takers?

It's not how I'd prefer to do things, but if that really turns out to be the general consensus, I'm willing to relent. But then I feel Ken MUST address this somehow. As the CLT clearly shows, there are many, many people who will enter this as D//O S without even thinking about it. That won't change by threads like this: one or two entries might get changed, but not the rest. To achieve that, Ken really needs to step in and settle this somehow - in a way that everybody gets to know about it.
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For once and for all: credits that say DAVID OGDEN STIERS tell you nothing about parsing.

Sure they do.  Barring evidence to the contrary, two spaces, two slashes: David/Ogden/Stiers

What is this, other than your own preference? Can you point me to the section of the rules where this is detailed? Like I told Skip: please let's keep this discussion sane and leave this out of it. The credits don't tell us ANYTHING about parsing - never.

We are keeping it on topic, Tim. It falls to you to simply recognize the evidence.

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For once and for all: credits that say DAVID OGDEN STIERS tell you nothing about parsing.

Sure they do.  Barring evidence to the contrary, two spaces, two slashes: David/Ogden/Stiers

What is this, other than your own preference? Can you point me to the section of the rules where this is detailed? Like I told Skip: please let's keep this discussion sane and leave this out of it. The credits don't tell us ANYTHING about parsing - never.

There are three name fields and there are two natural breaks in this string of characters: David Ogden Stiers

I split it there to fit in the three fields.  If there is evidence that something other than this very simple method should be used i'm listening.
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Now we're getting somewhere. That makes these threads rather pointless, isn't it: you're simply going to say 1/2/3 every single time.

Yes, barring evidence to the contrary, i'll go 1/2/3 every time.
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This biography at Rottten Tomatoes repeatedly refers to him as "Stiers".
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Same question: can you give some examples of three-piece names (not articles, mind you) where you WOULD parse the last two into the "last name" field? Not trying to be argumentative, but I'm honestly currious. Does that situation even exist, as far as you're concerned?

I'll answer.

Off the top of my head, No, can't think of one.  I'm sure they are there in the database but i can't think of any.

Now we're getting somewhere. That makes these threads rather pointless, isn't it: you're simply going to say 1/2/3 every single time. Any other takers?

It's not how I'd prefer to do things, but if that really turns out to be the general consensus, I'm willing to relent. But then I feel Ken MUST address this somehow.


I said this THREE years ago, Tim. We simply start at some point and then can change based on evidence, it's never been a hard concept to deal with. D/O/S is what we have based on the credit and the current evidence, if at somepoint someone finds some evidence to the contrary then that can be looked at, but for now it is D/O/S plain and simple.

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This biography at Rottten Tomatoes repeatedly refers to him as "Stiers".

Number THREE, I think it's conclusive. Good work, Hal

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For once and for all: credits that say DAVID OGDEN STIERS tell you nothing about parsing.

Sure they do.  Barring evidence to the contrary, two spaces, two slashes: David/Ogden/Stiers

What is this, other than your own preference? Can you point me to the section of the rules where this is detailed? Like I told Skip: please let's keep this discussion sane and leave this out of it. The credits don't tell us ANYTHING about parsing - never.

Ok so you basically accuse tweeter of using his preference. I see him using common Americcan sense. Why are you trying to impose your preference.<shrugs> Oh, I forgot...

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