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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: I for one will always go by what is actual in the rules. Not what I (or anyone other then Ken or Gerri) want them to say. Me too. They say I can use season child profiles for these sets, "treating each series like a single film". So that's what I do. And that's all well and good. But, as in this case, since there were no Individual Season sets to begin with, the current disc level profiles take precedence. Just because the Individual Season sets were released after the fact doesn't give someone the right to overwrite the dics level profiles to suit their personal preferrence. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| | | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: But, as in this case, since there were no Individual Season sets to begin with, the current disc level profiles take precedence. Why? Says who? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: And if someone updates a disc level to make it a season profile I can and will vote no to that info since it will be replacing valid info allowed per the rules. So will I. These sets in my collection are all set up with season child profiles, and I will vote against anyone trying to overwrite them with "disc 1" profiles. Which is all fine and good... which puts us to the only option that the rules allow. First Come... first serve. If it was up to me... I would have personally removed that notation when Ken added the disc level profiling to the rules. As you can't always have it both ways I don't feel it works. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: why would you want to profile the season using the Disc ID of the first disc which for the most part is an empty profile, in lieu of a fully populated profile of the first child profile? Why would you think it would be empty? That would not even be allowed by the rules. For instance: "In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers." So they'd be full season profiles, with absolutely nothing missing. When you use the boxset Rules, and use season level child profiles, the parent profile is empty for the most part. It is only Season level profiles that are fully populated! No way is the Boxset profile of a multi-season TV show populated with all of the cast and crew. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: why would you want to profile the season using the Disc ID of the first disc which for the most part is an empty profile, in lieu of a fully populated profile of the first child profile? Why would you think it would be empty? That would not even be allowed by the rules. For instance: "In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers." So they'd be full season profiles, with absolutely nothing missing.
When you use the boxset Rules, and use season level child profiles, the parent profile is empty for the most part. It is only Season level profiles that are fully populated! Which is EXACTLY what I'm saying. Multi-season box set-profile (mostly empty, seasons as child profiles) - Season 1 child profile (multiple discs, but no grandchildren, fully filled profile) - Season 2 child profile (multiple discs, but no grandchildren, fully filled profile) - Season 3 child profile (multiple discs, but no grandchildren, fully filled profile) Whether or not grandchild-profiles would be added; nothing from the above changes. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: I'd support overwriting them with season profiles - that's what the rules tell us to do with these sets. Each series gets his own child profile. The rules go on to say that "Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required." So first we're told, without further conditions, how to deal with these multi-season sets, and then there is the option to create (grand)child profiles for those that want to. That, to me, certainly indicates a definite difference in priority to keep us from having to fall back on the dreaded "first one in wins" principle. Agreed! |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: why would you want to profile the season using the Disc ID of the first disc which for the most part is an empty profile, in lieu of a fully populated profile of the first child profile? Why would you think it would be empty? That would not even be allowed by the rules. For instance: "In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers." So they'd be full season profiles, with absolutely nothing missing.
When you use the boxset Rules, and use season level child profiles, the parent profile is empty for the most part. It is only Season level profiles that are fully populated! I think we all can agree on the following: A season profile (no matter its actual identifier) is a hybrid profile: It's both a box set profile as well as a profile that stands on its own. It contains cast, crew, discs and box set children. And you have to edit it locally the way you want it (you either delete cast, crew and discs or [ XOR] box set children). | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
| | | Last edited: by DJ Doena |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: why would you want to profile the season using the Disc ID of the first disc which for the most part is an empty profile, in lieu of a fully populated profile of the first child profile? Why would you think it would be empty? That would not even be allowed by the rules. For instance: "In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers." So they'd be full season profiles, with absolutely nothing missing.
When you use the boxset Rules, and use season level child profiles, the parent profile is empty for the most part. It is only Season level profiles that are fully populated! Which is EXACTLY what I'm saying.
Box Set-profile (mostly empty, seasons as child profiles) - Season 1 child profile (multiple discs, but no grandchildren, fully filled profile) - Season 2 child profile (multiple discs, but no grandchildren, fully filled profile) - Season 3 child profile (multiple discs, but no grandchildren, fully filled profile) Isn't this your personal preference? It is the season which actually does not have any unique identifier to allow you to profile it. You are "stealing" the Disc ID of the first child disc in order to profile this the way you want it done. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
I think we all can agree on the following: A season profile (no matter its actual identifier) is a hybrid profile: It's both a box set profile as well as a profile that stands on its own. It contains cast, crew, discs and box set children.
And you have to edit it locally the way you want it (you either delete cast, crew and discs or [XOR] box set children). No disagreement here, except the season level profiles are exempt from many of the "boxset" rules. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree Hal... That is why I really think that notation should be removed from the rules all together. They can't both exist together... leading us to a first come, first served situation. But yet if it is removed and then there is the ability to have all the info in the main profile or do disc level profiles. IF there is no UPC for the season level profiles it should be local. If there is... no reason not to submit it... and we still have disc level profiling available. | | | Pete |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: You are "stealing" the Disc ID of the first child disc in order to profile this the way you want it done. Which is specifically what the rules say we can do with these sets: "treating each series like a single film". It's not my preference - it's what the rules say. Yes, the rules also say that disc-level profiles can be added, but that's a general rule. Instead, the note detailing these multiple season sets is very specific for these sets. I feel a specific rule, detailing a specific kind of TV-set, takes precedence over a general mention that disc-level profiles can be used for those who want to. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Disc level profiling... Quote: Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a disc, or set of discs, have their own case, use the cover images from that case. When submitting a change to an existing TV series profile that is currently a box set, do not remove the existing contents.
In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers. The notation... Quote: Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile. Looks to me like the notation is the very generalized one. The disc level profiling goes into much more detail. | | | Pete |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | The "rare cases" note is the "very generalized one"?! I learn something new each day... | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: You are "stealing" the Disc ID of the first child disc in order to profile this the way you want it done. Which is specifically what the rules say we can do with these sets: "treating each series like a single film". It's not my preference - it's what the rules say. Yes, the rules also say that disc-level profiles can be added, but that's a general rule. Instead, the note detailing these multiple season sets is very specific for these sets. I feel a specific rule, detailing a specific kind of TV-set, takes precedence over a general mention that disc-level profiles can be used for those who want to. I believe you are reading in something that's not there. You can only create a season level profile if it has it's own unique identifier. In this case it doesn't. Where does it say you can take the Disc ID of the first child disc and use it for the Season level profile. Why not use the second child disc ID or the third or the fourth? | | | Hal |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: I believe you are reading in something that's not there. You can only create a season level profile if it has it's own unique identifier. In this case it doesn't. Where does it say you can take the Disc ID of the first child disc and use it for the Season level profile. Why not use the second child disc ID or the third or the fourth? If our search function wasn't so crappy, I might have been able to point you to the old post where Ken said to do so. |
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