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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Does it matter if there is some sort of new edition of a film?
Such as the Star Wars: Special Editions.
I am fairly sure that there is a new Copyright date in the end credits for the Special Editions. Is the Special Editions considered to be an entirely new film and since they were first released in early 1997 I believe, would the Production Year be 1997 for these, instead of 1977, 1980 and 1983? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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Next thing you know we'll be using the date the director had a private showing of the film in his home theater! 
That's why I have said "public festival", where everybody and not just the elites can buy a ticket.
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How exactly can "everybody" buy a ticket to a festival like the Cannes Film Festival unless you just happen to be in Cannes.
I don't see how you can consider that to be a "general" release to the public. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
Does it matter if there is some sort of new edition of a film?
Such as the Star Wars: Special Editions.
I am fairly sure that there is a new Copyright date in the end credits for the Special Editions. Is the Special Editions considered to be an entirely new film and since they were first released in early 1997 I believe, would the Production Year be 1997 for these, instead of 1977, 1980 and 1983? Yes, the new copyright date should be used. It is not the same film as the original release. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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Does it matter if there is some sort of new edition of a film?
Such as the Star Wars: Special Editions.
I am fairly sure that there is a new Copyright date in the end credits for the Special Editions. Is the Special Editions considered to be an entirely new film and since they were first released in early 1997 I believe, would the Production Year be 1997 for these, instead of 1977, 1980 and 1983?
Yes, the new copyright date should be used. It is not the same film as the original release. Sorry, i'm afraid you're wrong. You may personally disagree with the Rules but they specifically state: "For films that have been updated (e.g., a Special Edition or Directors Cut) use the year of the original release, not the year that the re-release was “made” or released" | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong | | | | Last edited: by Voltaire53 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
Sorry, i'm afraid you're wrong. You may personally disagree with the Rules but they specifically state:
"For films that have been updated (e.g., a Special Edition or Directors Cut) use the year of the original release, not the year that the re-release was “made” or released" I should have been clearer. I was talking about a change that would require the use of the copyright date in the film credits. If we were to implement such a change, then the re-release date would have to be used, since that is what would appear in the DVD credits. I was not trying to say that under the current Rules we should use the re-release date. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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Next thing you know we'll be using the date the director had a private showing of the film in his home theater!
That's why I have said "public festival", where everybody and not just the elites can buy a ticket.
How exactly can "everybody" buy a ticket to a festival like the Cannes Film Festival unless you just happen to be in Cannes.
How exactly can "everybody" buy a ticket to a cinema in any city/country unless you just happen to be in that city/country? In principle everybody can. But I have to admit that I would not travel to the USA just to see the world general release of any film which will be shown in a cinema in my home town later.  Quote:
I don't see how you can consider that to be a "general" release to the public. I don't see how you can't consider that to be a "general" release to the public. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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Next thing you know we'll be using the date the director had a private showing of the film in his home theater!
That's why I have said "public festival", where everybody and not just the elites can buy a ticket.
How exactly can "everybody" buy a ticket to a festival like the Cannes Film Festival unless you just happen to be in Cannes.
How exactly can "everybody" buy a ticket to a cinema in any city/country unless you just happen to be in that city/country? In principle everybody can. But I have to admit that I would not travel to the USA just to see the world general release of any film which will be shown in a cinema in my home town later.
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I don't see how you can consider that to be a "general" release to the public. I don't see how you can't consider that to be a "general" release to the public. You're just being argumentative and we all know it. The release of a film at one festival in one city in one country is in no way comparable to the release to public theaters across multiple cities in multiple countries (or even one country). I won't play your game any longer, either. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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"For films that have been updated (e.g., a Special Edition or Directors Cut) use the year of the original release, not the year that the re-release was “made” or released"
I should have been clearer. I was talking about a change that would require the use of the copyright date in the film credits. If we were to implement such a change, then the re-release date would have to be used, since that is what would appear in the DVD credits. Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding... I confess I was surprised since I'm know you have read the Rules! | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | If a movie was released at a film festival then that is how it was released, no matter if 1 or 1000 people saw it. It's no different from a limited release playing at a few select cities. I just love it when people try to fabricate new rules outside of the rules and then quote it like facts...  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
If a movie was released at a film festival then that is how it was released, no matter if 1 or 1000 people saw it. It's no different from a limited release playing at a few select cities. I just love it when people try to fabricate new rules outside of the rules and then quote it like facts... But that's not a "Theatrical Release"...no matter what you say. It wasn't released to "theaters"! All the more reason why we should use copyright date. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
If a movie was released at a film festival then that is how it was released, no matter if 1 or 1000 people saw it. It's no different from a limited release playing at a few select cities. I just love it when people try to fabricate new rules outside of the rules and then quote it like facts... Hal is correct. A film festival showing is not the same as a theatrical release. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would have to agree with Hal and Unicus here... there is a difference between a Theatrical Release and a Film Festival Showing. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Indirectly supporting what Hal has said here, "What would you put down for a film released direct to DVD" which of course would not have a Theatrical Release - Stargate Ark of Truth: Stargate Continuum both spring to mind here both are a Direct to DVD release.
So I too would support whole heartedly using the Copyrighted Year since it's in the credits.
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
Indirectly supporting what Hal has said here, "What would you put down for a film released direct to DVD" which of course would not have a Theatrical Release - Stargate Ark of Truth: Stargate Continuum both spring to mind here both are a Direct to DVD release.
So I too would support whole heartedly using the Copyrighted Year since it's in the credits.
Steve Following the rules to the letter, TV series & direct to DVD films shouldn't have a "Production Year". Since that is obviously not the case, I honestly believe that either the rule should be updated as advised by several or change the field name (or both). |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Following the rules to the letter, TV series & direct to DVD films shouldn't have a "Production Year". Since that is obviously not the case, I honestly believe that either the rule should be updated as advised by several or change the field name (or both). That is, partially, incorrect. While the rules do not address direct to DVD releases, they do address TV series. If you look at the 'TV Series on DVD' section, it tells you what to enter for the production year. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Apologies you are quite correct about that.
Edit: Doh! | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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