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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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You are trying to create yor interpretation based on only one sentence in the Rule, completely out of context. You are completely ignoring the remainder of the Rule which further defines what is meant.


Please explain, quoting rules. Perhaps I missed something.

(Knowing that "main examples" followed by a list exclude nothing, as they are examples... that is what I explained in my first post of this thread where I quoted all the part of the rule that defines boxsets...)
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I have explained it ALL for you, surfeur. Just as i have on other ocassions and as usual you persist in creating your own interpretation by taking things out of contetxt or only dealing with that part a Rule that you think you can twist, while ingnoring the rest of it. No part of the Rules stand on their own, and in this case as I have told you SEVERAL times now, there is further refinement on exactly what the Boxset terminology means, and the Single-Sided Multi=Feature discs were not included in that refinement DELIBERATELY. If you can't understand that and the why for it, i can't help you, all I can do is tell you that you are flat out wrong. Stop reading a single sentence which suits you and read the WHOLE thing. Then cite to me where you find inclusion of Single-Sided Multi-Feature Discs, you won't, you can't because they are not there, nor should they be.

Other users understand this.

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Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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... as I have told you SEVERAL times now, there is further refinement on exactly what the Boxset terminology means, ...


Please show me. I didn't find that. If I'm wrong, just a quote about something I missed in my first post, and I'll apologize for my stupidity...
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"Box Sets" Containing More Than One Film

The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are:

[b]    * Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind.
    * Sets where each film is on a separate disc, but not individually packaged. This includes gatefold Digipaks and 2-Disc sets in normal DVD cases.
    * Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD.[/b]

No need to apologize, surfeur. just stop trying to create something that isn't there and was deliberately NOT included.

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Nothing to apologize. You just quoted what I had already quoted and explained in my first post of this thread. Do you read what people write before jumping on them ?
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Yes I do, do YOU, sir. You are using a small piece of the rules out of context to create chaos and confusion. And one which has been explained to you. other users understand this, surfeur, what's your problem.


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The only way to enter these are with dividers (as pointed out already by several). 
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Main examples means that other less common examples can be considered. There is not much difference between 2 films on each side of a dual sided DVD, and two films on the same side of a double layered disc.

Simply not true, Surfeur.  There's a vast difference between 2 films on each side of a dual sided DVD and 2 films on the same side of a single layered DVD.  Two-sided DVDs commonly have a different disc id for each side -- so there's a way to make a profile for each side and differentiate between the films.  A one-sided DVD has only one disc id shared by both films, so there's no way to uniquely identify a profile for each film.

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Any way, rules say "any release that includes more than one film". So it is a boxset, and for boxsets, rules say "child profiles".  Rules do not mention an exception for this case.

You're ignoring the fact that the box set rule only applies where there are two films on each side of a double sided disc even though you higlighted that specific rule in your post.

Consequently, the only way to handle multiple films on a single side of a disc is to use dividers.
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You're ignoring the fact that the box set rule only applies where there are two films on each side of a double sided disc even though you higlighted that specific rule in your post.

Actually, that's the point he's trying to make. I think too many of us assume we know what the rules say without really reading them. Nowhere in the rules does it say that it only applies when the films are on separate sides/discs. It should, but it doesn't.

If you look at the rules for boxsets, the only indication as to what makes a boxset is the statement: "any release that includes more than one film". The list that follows are only examples - in fact we are told this is a non-exclusive list by use of the word: "main".
Discs that contain more than one film on the same side are simply never mentioned.

So technically Surfeur is correct. According to the rules in their current format we're supposed to create a profile for each film, even when it's physically impossible to contribute! 
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Quoting kdh1949:
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You're ignoring the fact that the box set rule only applies where there are two films on each side of a double sided disc even though you higlighted that specific rule in your post.

Actually, that's the point he's trying to make. I think too many of us assume we know what the rules say without really reading them. Nowhere in the rules does it say that it only applies when the films are on separate sides/discs. It should, but it doesn't.

If you look at the rules for boxsets, the only indication as to what makes a boxset is the statement: "any release that includes more than one film". The list that follows are only examples - in fact we are told this is a non-exclusive list by use of the word: "main".
Discs that contain more than one film on the same side are simply never mentioned.

So technically Surfeur is correct. According to the rules in their current format we're supposed to create a profile for each film, even when it's physically impossible! 


You are 100% correct except that it is not physically impossible to create both child profiles.  It is however, physically impossible to contribute them, since at least one would have to be a manual profile.
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Good god.

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You are 100% correct except that it is not physically impossible to create both child profiles.  It is however, physically impossible to contribute them, since at least one would have to be a manual profile.

Thanks - you are quite right. I've amended my post.
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So technically Surfeur is correct. According to the rules in their current format we're supposed to create a profile for each film, even when it's physically impossible to contribute! 

Quoting hal9g:
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You are 100% correct except that it is not physically impossible to create both child profiles.  It is however, physically impossible to contribute them, since at least one would have to be a manual profile.


Thanks for explaining what I wanted to demonstrate, with better words than I did.

That's why I wrote :

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Two solutions :
- use manual ID and keep local
- ask a change of rules, and wait until Ken accept it.
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Quoting northbloke:
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If you look at the rules for boxsets, the only indication as to what makes a boxset is the statement: "any release that includes more than one film". The list that follows are only examples - in fact we are told this is a non-exclusive list by use of the word: "main".
Discs that contain more than one film on the same side are simply never mentioned.

So technically Surfeur is correct. According to the rules in their current format we're supposed to create a profile for each film, even when it's physically impossible to contribute! 

I stand corrected.
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I don't know exactly what Surfeur's goal is within this thread, but I'm guessing he's trying to point out the inconsistencies in some peoples arguments.

When it suits them. they say "just follow the rules", but when it doesn't suit them they roll their eyes at the suggestion that the rules should be followed exactly as written.

If this is Surfeur's way of saying "you can't have it both ways" then I agree with him.

That said, I would advocate using dividers, even though it's against a strict interpretation of the rules.

I know it's a heresy to say it, but perhaps the rules are still guidelines (although perhaps somewhat stricter than when they were actually called guidelines)...? 
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