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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | . | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 693 |
| Posted: | | | | Your approval did not help that much. They've cast a NO vote once again (but with a milder tone this time). I do hope the SCREENERS will accept my argument in the matter (and your subsequent approval). | | | October 12th, 1985. Tonight, a comedian died in New York. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,692 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Quoting 8ballMax:
Quote: IMO, adding the episode numbers provided on the discs to the "simple episode list" does not make it any less simple. It's still a "simple" list. And that's exactly it - as you say, it's your opinion. The "no" voters obviously have a different opinion as to what constitutes "simple". As the rules give no explanation as to what a simple list is, who are we to say their opinion is any less valid than anyone elses? but there are more of us... | | | Paul |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I never mix data, the Overview data is the Overview and the Divider data is On Screen from my viewpoint and sometimes the two do not say the same exact thing. In a case like Voyager, for the Divider I would use the Episode numbering from the disc, and the actual title from the Episode itself, if the Overview contains the same data fine, if not then i enter the Overview data as it appears on the cover, if they are numbered good, if not I don't invent numbers or any other data.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | The discs use the production episode numbers, the rear cover art (not the paper cover but the actual plastic case) uses the production episode numbers. No where in the packaging or disc menus are the episodes numbered 1, 2, 3, etc, etc, etc. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 693 |
| Posted: | | | | I think that On Screen data is more important than any other data source. Their arguments are completely foolish if you ask me. | | | October 12th, 1985. Tonight, a comedian died in New York. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Liorb:
As I said it depends entirely what you are talking about, relative to cast and crew...yes. Relative to Overview, it depends on the individula title, for example we know that some Overviews don't exist, but in general Overview is a different dataset from the On Screen. Though i understand what you are saying and why.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 27, 2007 | Posts: 98 |
| Posted: | | | | The biggest point in this issue is that the Credits Rule about using the correct episode number in the dividers is being applied to the overview where the rule is
A simple list of Episodes may also be added to the standard overview.
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Why anyone would number the episodes in the Overview differently than what they are numbered in the dividers, is beyond me. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Ithink he is suggesting that the Overview is not numbered, which many times is the way it is, and if they are not numkbered relative to the Overview then they are NOT numbered per the Rules. The dividers is a totally different issue.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Ithink he is suggesting that the Overview is not numbered, which many times is the way it is, and if they are not numkbered relative to the Overview then they are NOT numbered per the Rules. The dividers is a totally different issue.
Skip Please site the rule that states that the episodes in a simple episode list do not get numbered relative to the overview . Remember, we're discussing a simple episode list for Star Trek: Voyager here where there is no episode list on the rear cover art. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | The Rule says to copy the Overview EXACTLY as it appears, 8Ball. If there are no numbers then you are inventing data and violating the Rules.
The TV Rule is in addition to the general Overview Rule NOT instead of.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: The Rule says to copy the Overview EXACTLY as it appears, 8Ball. If there are no numbers then you are inventing data and violating the Rules.
The TV Rule is in addition to the general Overview Rule NOT instead of.
Skip I don't believe he's talking about that part of the Rule. He's talking about the part that says you can add a simple episode list. This is in addition to the actual overview that appears on the back cover. That's what has to be EXACT. There is no direction about how to number the simple episode list. I ask again, why would anyone want to number it differently than the way the episode dividers are numbered? | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: The Rule says to copy the Overview EXACTLY as it appears, 8Ball. If there are no numbers then you are inventing data and violating the Rules.
The TV Rule is in addition to the general Overview Rule NOT instead of.
Skip
I don't believe he's talking about that part of the Rule.
He's talking about the part that says you can add a simple episode list. This is in addition to the actual overview that appears on the back cover. That's what has to be EXACT. There is no direction about how to number the simple episode list.
I ask again, why would anyone want to number it differently than the way the episode dividers are numbered? Correct...thank you Hal. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Why would anyone want to invent data that isn't there?
As to your question, normally this would not happen, but there have been rare instances where the numbering involved differs from that used on the Disc, that's why. For example a an Overview may be numbered 1, 2, 3 but the On screen data relative to the dividers uses Production Numbers or some other numbering scheme. It's not commonplace, but it does happen and if that's what the data is, that's what it is relative to the Online, you are of course free to do whatever you wish locally and your mileage may vary.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting liorb22: Quote:
To this: 721. Caretaker 103. Parallax I was a No voter (as has been stated) and gave my reasons because of my interpretation... and also as i said, if the Screeners think I'm wrong to interpret that way (and agree with lots of you!) then it'll be passed, no harm done! FWIW my reasoning is: They are not numbering episodes, per se, they are providing production codes Code 721 is a confusing code as it is what they've called 101 and 102 combined, so numbering this way detracts from the data. The Rule as written allows me some leeway in interpretation | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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