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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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but you knew it to pertain purely to, say, artificial wounds and nothing else, you wouldn't enter it as such?
No, it's neither Make-up nor Make-up Effects and therefore I wouldn't enter it.
But who says it's not? Where's the definition that tells us when "make-up effects" supposedly ARE "make-up effects", and when they're not? Not in our rules, in any case... This is exactly why Ken wrote the Rule the way he did. If it is not in the Crew table....DO NOT ENTER IT. You are trying to make the word "translation" a functional equivalent of "interpretation"! Nice try! You wiggle all you want, but everyone knows that it is only to satisfy your own personal preferences! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
This is exactly why Ken wrote the Rule the way he did. If it is not in the Crew table....DO NOT ENTER IT. Sorry, but the only person who knows 'exactly why Ken wrote the rule the way he did' is Ken. We can guess, but it is only a guess. I do, however, doubt he meant for us to exclude the credit catagories he added to the list at the same time he changed the wording. If he did, why add them in the first place? I am sorry, but it just doesn't make any sense. At least not to me it doesn't. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
This is exactly why Ken wrote the Rule the way he did. If it is not in the Crew table....DO NOT ENTER IT. Except where overwhelming common sense prevails. I've seen several films that simply say "A film by ..." or "A film from ..." and nothing at all regarding a director in the credits, yet of course we add those into the database.  | | | | Corey |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Sorry, but the only person who knows 'exactly why Ken wrote the rule the way he did' is Ken. We can guess, but it is only a guess. Well, Ken made an intervention on those forums yesterday (about uncredited cast), and with all the fuss made around crew roles, if he had wanted to say something, he probably already had done it. Perhaps he will do it in one hour or never, but until he says something, rules are very clear : if role not on the list , do not enter it. All other action is a blatant violation of this very clear rule. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
Except where overwhelming common sense prevails. I've seen several films that simply say "A film by ..." or "A film from ..." and nothing at all regarding a director in the credits, yet of course we add those into the database. I already spoke of common sense for correcting spelling mistakes on overviews. Everybody jumped on me for that. We cannot say "this rule may be interpreted, and that one may not". With all opinions here, that means that rules become guides. In fact, I'm personally in favor of that, but since Ken choose another solution, please let us apply it to everything. Forum request is there to ask for a modification. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
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This is exactly why Ken wrote the Rule the way he did. If it is not in the Crew table....DO NOT ENTER IT.
Except where overwhelming common sense prevails. I've seen several films that simply say "A film by ..." or "A film from ..." and nothing at all regarding a director in the credits, yet of course we add those into the database. Exactly. At one point or another, EVERYONE takes, shall we say, "liberties" with the crew credits table in the rules. Everyone. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Exactly. At one point or another, EVERYONE takes, shall we say, "liberties" with the crew credits table in the rules. Everyone. Not at all. I never used any crew role that is not on the list, even for my local. | | | | Images from movies |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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Exactly. At one point or another, EVERYONE takes, shall we say, "liberties" with the crew credits table in the rules. Everyone.
Not at all. I never used any crew role that is not on the list, even for my local. Let's think back just a few months - remember that a strict reading of the rules table actually meant that NO crew could be added at all? Did you abide by that, then? |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Let's think back just a few months - remember that a strict reading of the rules table actually meant that NO crew could be added at all? Did you abide by that, then? Never saw that rules forbade me to add director, composer, producer, director of photography... as for anecdotal roles, it's not a problem to stay local via custom roles... | | | | Images from movies |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Never saw that rules forbade me to add director, composer, producer, director of photography... That was the case, however - so you've just proved my point... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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This is exactly why Ken wrote the Rule the way he did. If it is not in the Crew table....DO NOT ENTER IT.
Sorry, but the only person who knows 'exactly why Ken wrote the rule the way he did' is Ken. We can guess, but it is only a guess. I do, however, doubt he meant for us to exclude the credit catagories he added to the list at the same time he changed the wording. If he did, why add them in the first place? I am sorry, but it just doesn't make any sense. At least not to me it doesn't. It makes perfect sense to me. I don't know how you can question that he wanted to restrict the roles to only those listed in the table based on a deliberate change in the wording of the Rule. What he failed to remember to do is review the table for all the roles that needed to be there. It's not that confusing at all!  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
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This is exactly why Ken wrote the Rule the way he did. If it is not in the Crew table....DO NOT ENTER IT.
Except where overwhelming common sense prevails. I've seen several films that simply say "A film by ..." or "A film from ..." and nothing at all regarding a director in the credits, yet of course we add those into the database. "A Film By..." or "A Film from..." is not necessarily a Director credit, so it should not be added as such! Those credits are just as often used for Executive Producers or the person who provided the funding. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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Never saw that rules forbade me to add director, composer, producer, director of photography...
That was the case, however - so you've just proved my point... This is just silly. To compare a mis-statement in the Rules telling you to use the wrong column with a deliberate change in the wording of the Rule which occurred in conjunction with this release to prevent people from entering whatever they want for crew roles just goes to prove how desperate you are to enter your personal preferences for Crew. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
What he failed to remember to do is review the table for all the roles that needed to be there. Once again: these lists will never ever be "complete", or anywhere near it, and aiming for that is utterly pointless. It just doesn't work that way in real life. What the rules should do - and giving a few examples is of course perfectly helpful - is to explain which people we're after. Yes, a certain level of THINKING is then required of the user, and I understand how terrified some of you might be at that concept. Of course "black and white" is easier as "gray" - but it just isn't black and white. Again: the rules should explain who we're after. Using examples to illustrate those explanations is great, using woefully incomplete "acceptable" lists is not. The rules should, for instance, explain that we're after the film's actual costume designer - that would be a whole lot better than people misusing the current list of "acceptable" job labels to award entire costuming departments all equal "costume designer" credits. It's that "blindly following the lists"-approach which leads to garbage data, IMHO - not the other way around. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
... Yes, a certain level of THINKING is then required of the user, and I understand how terrified some of you might be at that concept... Don't you think that this could also apply to correct spelling mistakes in overviews ? I would love to see a sentence like that at the beginning of rules: "Those rules must be followed. Anyway, in rare cases where common sense justify not to follow them, just explain your reasons in contribution notes and just do whatever seems correct." Unfortunately, Ken didn't choose that option, so rules are rules until he changes them. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
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What he failed to remember to do is review the table for all the roles that needed to be there.
Once again: these lists will never ever be "complete".... They are not intended to be "complete". They are intended to list those roles that Ken wants included in the DVDP online database. Everything else goes under "Custom". It's that simple! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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