Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4 5  Previous   Next
Edition
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorninehours
Registered: April 3, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 1,998
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Personally i think the rule should be changed so the Edition has to be printed on the cover but as always am happy to go with what the majority want (even if i don't agree with it) 
 Last edited: by ninehours
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbentyman
Registered: April 13, 2007
Norway Posts: 651
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I think we should use what the cover says. One example: In Norway when the movie Hannibal was released, it came out in two different version. One was Limited Edition 2 Discs, which obviously had two discs inside. The other version was a cheaper one disc. BUT: the version with the one disc, did not have any edition to it, but the disc itself was actually the disc 1 from the 2-disc version. It actually had the printing DISC 1 on it and also the edition Limited Edition 2 Discs printed on the disc. But still it was the 1 disc edition. So I would go for the cover only
"What's God?"
"You know when you want something really bad and you wish for it?, God's the guy that ignores you"
-The Island, Steve Buscemi
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantMole
Ex-contributor
Registered: March 13, 2007
United Kingdom Posts: 756
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Unicus69:
Quote:
Quoting ninehours:
Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
Quote:
The rules say you have to take it from the box.

I thought that rule only applies to a non standard edition?
Quote:
Edition
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.


The rule is crystal clear.  If you are using a non-standard description...meaning something other than one of the built-in selections...you must take it from the DVD box.

There is no such requirement when you use one of the built-in selections.



The inference is that a (DVDP) standard edition does not have to appear on the DVD box (I am taking this to mean the outside of the box/case/alien head/whatever), but can, in fact, come from anywhere within the DVD "package", including being printed actually on the disc or on a booklet/contents sheet inside the case.

In which case, the removal of the edition from the profile in question (i.e. Stripes) must be incorrect, as the disc clearly shows "Special Edition", which is one of DVDP's standard editions.
Chris
 Last edited: by Mole
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I simply don't see that interpretation. The Rule has always been clear to me.

Skip<twitching>
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantPro_Trek
Who Me?
Registered: March 15, 2007
Norway Posts: 178
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
what they have done is re-release it in a new cover but not bothered to change the disc
iv seen alot of these... specially in 2-pack's
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorArdos
Registered: July 31, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 2,506
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote:
I simply don't see that interpretation. The Rule has always been clear to me.

Skip<twitching>


Can you point out the part of the rule that backs that up because I can't see it. I've read & re-read it a few times but it keeps coming back as standard descriptions can be taken from places other than the cover.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorhydr0x
Registered: April 4, 2007
Germany Posts: 879
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote:
I simply don't see that interpretation. The Rule has always been clear to me.

Skip<twitching>


Can you point out the part of the rule that backs that up because I can't see it. I've read & re-read it a few times but it keeps coming back as standard descriptions can be taken from places other than the cover.


No, it doesn't say that. It doesn't say anything about standard descriptions at all. All it says is that non-standard descriptors have to be taken from the box. It does neither say that standard descriptors have to be taken from the box too, nor does it say that standard descriptors may be taken from some other place. It does not cover the subject of where to take standard descriptors from. FACT

This basically means such an edition addition is not against the rules and a no vote violates the voting rules. But, it's clear to me that the rule creator intended the box only part for both types of editions, standard and non-standard. Thus I would never contribute the above Special Edition, especially as it's been common practice to take editions from the box only, no exceptions.

We clearly need a rephrasing of that rule because until then such contributions are okay while they certainly shouldn't be.
- Jan
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorArdos
Registered: July 31, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 2,506
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
By only stating that non-standard must come from the cover that in itself says that standard can come from other places. The lack of a mention to say where standard can come from implies that you can use it from the disc as well. From the way the rule is currently worded, I can not see how anyone can say it's implied that you can't use the disc for standard descriptions.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
Registered: May 1, 2002
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Germany Posts: 6,741
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
Quote:
By only stating that non-standard must come from the cover that in itself says that standard can come from other places. The lack of a mention to say where standard can come from implies that you can use it from the disc as well. From the way the rule is currently worded, I can not see how anyone can say it's implied that you can't use the disc for standard descriptions.


You are parsing the rules as if they had been written by an infallible god-like being and not just by a group of normal people who didn't predict any case case that could come up.
Karsten
DVD Collectors Online

DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorArdos
Registered: July 31, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 2,506
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
I'm simply parsing it as written, nothing more, nothing less. As it was chosen to include "non-standard", that by itself implies that "standard" was also considered and not deemed necessary at that time to include the same limitation. It could just as easily have said (bolded by me to show changes) -

"The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. Take all edition entries from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title. "
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributortweeter
I aim to misbehave
Registered: June 12, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,665
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
Quote:
By only stating that non-standard must come from the cover that in itself says that standard can come from other places.  The lack of a mention to say where standard can come from implies that you can use it from the disc as well.

Why stop with the disc?  Why not from some other random location (except of course the cover).  If the implication is everything but the cover i could take it from the take-out Chinese menu on my desk (the Bourbon Chicken Edition).

The implication of finding non-standard descriptions on the cover is...that's where you take the standard description from.
Bad movie?  You're soaking in it!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting DJ Doena:
Quote:
Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
Quote:
By only stating that non-standard must come from the cover that in itself says that standard can come from other places. The lack of a mention to say where standard can come from implies that you can use it from the disc as well. From the way the rule is currently worded, I can not see how anyone can say it's implied that you can't use the disc for standard descriptions.


You are parsing the rules as if they had been written by an infallible god-like being and not just by a group of normal people who didn't predict any case case that could come up.

Or that people would endlessly parse piece by piece to creat bogus interpretations. As Hydrox noted the ONLY thing the Rules is non-standard editions, how you can imply based on that you can derive the Edition from anywhere you damn well please is beyond me. The overall Rules is take it from the COVER.

My question is what is the purpose for this endless parsing of the Rules to try and create bogus meanings. I have my suspicions...but it just is bizarre.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorArdos
Registered: July 31, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 2,506
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting tweeter:
Quote:
If the implication is everything but the cover i could take it from the take-out Chinese menu on my desk (the Bourbon Chicken Edition).


Nah, we already know about using 3rd party sources
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantMole
Ex-contributor
Registered: March 13, 2007
United Kingdom Posts: 756
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageDirect link to this postReply with quote
It would be interesting to know whether the DVD is actually the special edition or not. From trawing around Amazon UK, HMV, DVD Compare etc, there appear to be two versions doing the rounds in the UK:

1. a theatrical version; length 101 minutes

2. an Special Edition (SE) version; length 118 minutes (uses seamless branching).

At face value, what we appear to have in this instance is the SE disc in a "non SE" box. So it the profile considered SE or not?
Chris
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorArdos
Registered: July 31, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 2,506
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote:
how you can imply based on that you can derive the Edition from anywhere you damn well please is beyond me. The overall Rules is take it from the COVER.


No one is saying to take it "from anywhere you damn well please" but at this time, the rules DO NOT say that STANDARD descriptions can not be taken from places other than the cover. You can say "The overall Rules is take it from the COVER." but that is just plain wrong, that ONLY says for NON-STANDARD. If Ken wanted it to say ALL, he would've put that & maybe he will change it to say that. My entire point is that as it currently stands, there is NOTHING in the rules to stop people using the disc for STANDARD descriptions.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,201
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting tweeter:
Quote:

Why stop with the disc?  Why not from some other random location (except of course the cover).  If the implication is everything but the cover i could take it from the take-out Chinese menu on my desk (the Bourbon Chicken Edition).

This section, from the beginning of the rules, would indicate that a Chinese menu is not allowed...bold by me.

The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself.  Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover.  In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.

Quote:
The implication of finding non-standard descriptions on the cover is...that's where you take the standard description from.

Sorry, but that simply isn't true.  When you put a conditional on one and not the other, the implication is that the conditional applies only to the one.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
 Last edited: by TheMadMartian
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4 5  Previous   Next