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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | 14:19... This is not exactly the clear answer I was hoping for. Maybe a few dozen more voters...? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote: these are not functional equivalents! These are direct translations (UK >US) They are used in some rare US films as well. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | . | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,366 |
| Posted: | | | | I have seen the name Sound Recordist in UK/CAN/AUS/NZ Productions. I gather the term Production Sound Mixer or Sound Mixer is used primarily in US Productions, and since this is an American Program I think we should always replace/translate Sound Recordist to the appropriate role. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Applause, Martin. Take a bow. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Bump...
Can we get a clearer consensus on this? About half of the affected profiles in my database use "sound" for this, and the other half uses "production sound mixer". I've found that whichever half I'm trying to fix gets me "no"-votes. Based on the results of the poll, I was trying "production sound mixer" today, and although I referred to this thread, I was told that "the rules are quite clear that Sound Recordist gets entered under Sound, you should raise this in the forums that people are voting against the rules."
As I said in my original post: I really have no opinion on this. I just want to be consistent. As of yet, that consistency doesn't seem to be within reach. Is this really going to be another "first one in wins" thing?
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Just to see what's happing in the database with this, I've checked on the same "sound recordist" as I mentioned in my original post. Then I used 'Casino Royale' as an example, but the same Chris Munro is now again credited as "sound recordist" in 'Quantum of Solace'. The CLT shows 18 'Quantum of Solace' profiles, and in about half of those, Chris Munro is given a "sound" credit, and the other half gives him a "production sound mixer" credit. Are we really going to be stuck with this mess? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Are we really going to be stuck with this mess? The fact of the matter is yes... with UK and some other countries using Sound Recordist and the US using Production Sound Mixer. Does nothing more than create confusion among the contributors. Even looking at the voting it is pretty much evenly split as to what a Sound Recordist should be credited as for UK productions. Personally I don't see this changing much in the near future unless we get some rule modifications. At least the Sound Recordist is still getting credited even if it is just "Sound". It wasn't that long ago some contributors were not even including them because they felt "Primarily used in older films" meant they shouldn't be credited at all. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | How about this as a possible way to determine... Is anyone else credited as "production sound mixer", or "Sound mixer" at all? If yes to PSM, this guy is now "Sound", if no to PSM, then he's the PSM. I don't think I've seen a movie with more than one PSM, so this would cover most everything. Wasn't that simple? If yes to SM and it's outside the sound section, then that's PSM. If inside the sound section, then RRM, just like the rules say. |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Looking at the votes makes it obvious no one knows which is correct! |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote: Is anyone else credited as "production sound mixer", or "Sound mixer" at all? No. This "sound recordist" credit is the only production sound-related credit. There are (supervising) sound editors and re-recording mixers credited. So that would result in PSM? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote: How about this as a possible way to determine...
Is anyone else credited as "production sound mixer", or "Sound mixer" at all? If yes to PSM, this guy is now "Sound", if no to PSM, then he's the PSM. I don't think I've seen a movie with more than one PSM, so this would cover most everything. Wasn't that simple?
If yes to SM and it's outside the sound section, then that's PSM. If inside the sound section, then RRM, just like the rules say. Basically they are credited just like a US PSM, outside of the sound credits only difference is their credit is Sound Recordist instead of "Sound Mixer, Location Sound Mixer, Production Mixer, or Production Sound Mixer". | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote: Basically they are credited just like a US PSM, outside of the sound credits only difference is their credit is Sound Recordist instead of "Sound Mixer, Location Sound Mixer, Production Mixer, or Production Sound Mixer". Exactly. |
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