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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 17 |
| | Posted: | | | | All I was saying was that Blu Ray disc is 16:9 because that is what all HD material is... I understand about all the aspect ratios and have a thorough history of motion picture.
The whole point is those black bars down the left and and right hand side of your screen are being generated by a 16:9 HD display and NOT your TV screen being set to 4:3 as it would need to be for a SD DVD - that is the angle I was coming from.
I think we're done on this topic now aren't we? | | | | Last edited: by jroadley |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
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For anyone with a solid base of knowledge about the industry this should present no challenge at all, regardless of the Disc Format.
Skip Correct, but we can't expect everyone submitting (or voting) to have a solid base of knowledge about the industry. If there is a way to ensure fewer people misunderstand the userinterface it should be considered. Please notice I am not arguing for any of the suggestions here, I am simply pointing out that it's easier to change the UI if needed than "educating" all the users - and the end goal must be accurate data. | | | Regards
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | My personal view is that we should just enter the aspect ratio for BR and HD-DVDs. Full Frame, P&S and Widescreen aren't relevant to the format. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,195 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wish that was true, but unfortunately there are titles that are 16:9 Pan & Scan! (or cropped)  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
I wish that was true, but unfortunately there are titles that are 16:9 Pan & Scan! (or cropped) They might be cropped but the format only supports 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratios. Full-frame/Widescreen, 16 x 9 Enhanced and PAL/NTSC aren't relevant to the format. I am not sure about Pan & Scan but I take your point. These irrelevant options need to be programatically removed for BR and HD-DVD discs. The longer we leave it, the more will need to be cleaned up later. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,195 |
| | Posted: | | | | PAL/NTSC and anamorphic have already been removed from HD media. They are still relevant for bonus features in SD though, but we don't profile those (currently). | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am glad you said that, Patsa, you had me scratching my head for a moment.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jroadley: Quote:
All I was saying was that Blu Ray disc is 16:9 because that is what all HD material is... I understand about all the aspect ratios and have a thorough history of motion picture.
The whole point is those black bars down the left and and right hand side of your screen are being generated by a 16:9 HD display and NOT your TV screen being set to 4:3 as it would need to be for a SD DVD - that is the angle I was coming from.
I think we're done on this topic now aren't we? Lets take the 16 x9 TV out of the equation.. and lets still use a BD disk and BD player hooked up to a 4x3 TV set.. ( RCA/coaxial ) . Now you have black bars on anamorphic 1.78:1 letterbox and full screen on full frame movies (1.33:1) .. so your argument doesn't hold water ..  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
Quoting jroadley:
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All I was saying was that Blu Ray disc is 16:9 because that is what all HD material is... I understand about all the aspect ratios and have a thorough history of motion picture.
The whole point is those black bars down the left and and right hand side of your screen are being generated by a 16:9 HD display and NOT your TV screen being set to 4:3 as it would need to be for a SD DVD - that is the angle I was coming from.
I think we're done on this topic now aren't we?
Lets take the 16 x9 TV out of the equation.. and lets still use a BD disk and BD player hooked up to a 4x3 TV set.. ( RCA/coaxial ) .
Now you have black bars on anamorphic 1.78:1 letterbox and full screen on full frame movies (1.33:1) ..
so your argument doesn't hold water .. With BD the titles would be 16:9, 1.78 aspect ratio and 4:3, 1.33 aspect ratio. Letterbox, Full Screen, Full Frame and Anamorphic are redundant terms that do not apply to BD titles. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
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I understand your point but so far the industry has not made any changes, it's not for profiler to do that. The film industry continues to use the terminology regardless of Video format, who knows maybe tomorrow we will see a presser announcing some new terminology...but until then. The most common ties we run into problems is when someone wnats to do something his way, instead of profiler's or in this case the industry whose lead we followed, with one exception, we did not include the FOOL Screen format because that takes a level of expertise to figure out the difference between Fool Screen and Pan & Scam, Full Fram is a straight forward term which requires no expertise. Do I want the industry to update their terminology, frankly I don't care one way or the other, I don't lose sleep over it, because i am not trying to define things my way, thus getting into these outrageous discussions, I simply deal with the way the industry has set the terms.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 |  Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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If the film is 4:3 (1.33:1), then it is fullscreen.
Example : The Birds, from Hitchcock. The film was originally 1.85:1, so widescreen. The DVD I have for this movie is 4/3 1.33:1, so it is not full screen, it's pan&scan. Saying "The Birds" is full screen is a misleading information.
You are correct, which is why we have the term 'Pan & Scan'. I do realize that I wasn't as clear as I meant to be in my original post. I apologize for that.  So by saying a title is pan & scan you can actually deduct that the original ratio was widescreen? Wouldn't Surfeur's method be superior in that case? --> take down the information, deduction not needed. | | | My DVD's
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard drive? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Telecine: Quote:
With BD the titles would be 16:9, 1.78 aspect ratio and 4:3, 1.33 aspect ratio. Letterbox, Full Screen, Full Frame and Anamorphic are redundant terms that do not apply to BD titles. Agreed,, I meant that anamorphic will be and always will be 'built in' .., therefore w/s titles such as True Lies would be a godsend on Blu ray ..,, as all current DVD and A&E HD presentations are NOT in anamorphic widescreen .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
therefore w/s titles such as True Lies would be a godsend on Blu ray ..,, as all current DVD and A&E HD presentations are NOT in anamorphic widescreen .. FYI: there are anamorphic 'True Lies' DVD's over here in R2. But I'm sure there'll be a blu-ray at some point too, though. |
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