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Scan Contribution Laziness
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGemini76
Registered: May 18, 2007
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Sorry tried to remove my post as I found the answer 10 sec after I'd posted.

Thanks anyway.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
Registered: March 15, 2007
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Sorry tried to remove my post as I found the answer 10 sec after I'd posted.

Thanks anyway.

You can't remove posts, but if you click on the pencil icon in the top right corner of your post, you can edit it if you need to.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Sorry tried to remove my post as I found the answer 10 sec after I'd posted.

Thanks anyway.


No worries, we all do that on occasion.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantdj_yanno
Registered: May 18, 2007
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I don't understand the big deal about it. I don't own a scanner, I have to do with what I have so too bad if the submission I make is not an actual scan. I tried to be patient on some releases to never see anyone making scan of it. But after waiting more than a year, I am not patient anymore so I send submission with all I can have. If it makes you mad, so be it, I really don't see the point if you actually don't OWN the DVD. If you do, just reject the submission a make one better. I am sick of watching my on-line list not having pictures because no one takes the time to submit it. At least, I try to improve it.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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Registered: May 19, 2007
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DJ - Then you should keep the cover local in your own collection and not contribute it.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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I don't understand the big deal about it. I don't own a scanner, I have to do with what I have so too bad if the submission I make is not an actual scan. I tried to be patient on some releases to never see anyone making scan of it. But after waiting more than a year, I am not patient anymore so I send submission with all I can have. If it makes you mad, so be it, I really don't see the point if you actually don't OWN the DVD. If you do, just reject the submission a make one better. I am sick of watching my on-line list not having pictures because no one takes the time to submit it. At least, I try to improve it.



DJ:

The hbig deal comes as follows. A lot of the images from Online sources are watermarked which is patently against the Rules. If you want such images locally that is up to you but they should NOT be Contributed under ANY circumstances. The oher problem comes which most of us hate, but that we see a lot of is images which are mismatched, usually by size, for example  we will have a pre-release front that is full size and the user is trying to add a postage stamp back cover.

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Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantdj_yanno
Registered: May 18, 2007
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Well thank you for the anwer, I understand what you mean. The problem with local images is that I cannot see them in my on-line collection and sometimes people remembers movies by the cover so that can help. But hey, I am not here to make a big fuss about it so I will stop contribute pics. That being sad, I really don't know why it gets people angry when they do not have to see that DVD in their own collection, but hey that's just me apprently so I'll stop I guess. It seems, after all, I don't take these things as seriously as you all do. Thanks again.

dj
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorNightHawke
DVDP since June 2, 2001
Registered: March 14, 2007
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dj:
To my knowledge the only way you can view a pending contribution to vote on it is if it's in you collection.  I have yet to see any profile contribution in my pending list for vote review that is not in my online collection. So, that being said, I would submit that for those of us that do own the DVD, submission of inferior scans just for the sake of having something in the online database is a bit weak.  There are many sources on the internet that make high quality scans of the actual covers without any watermarks that match the actual slip cover or dvd case art.  All it takes is a little "surfing" to find them.  Granted not all DVD art is easily found, but I have been able to find 99% of what I've looked for without too much problem.  So, if you don't have a scanner, don't let that stop you from finding high quality cover art.  If it meets the criteria for submission, then by all means contribute it.  If not, keep it local.  That's what I do.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantdj_yanno
Registered: May 18, 2007
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Nighthawke:
What I do is take the cover scan from another entry and copy it to my new entry. I also try to avoid watermarks or different sizes too. As I understand the integrity of the database has to be respected. What I don't understand is receiving, excuse my language, s**t from another user because there is no french on the cover as on the real cover. For me, it is not a big deal, for best someone will add a scan someday and everything will be fine, but in the meantime is it possible that it is best to have some kind of a cover. I don't do it to be lazy, I do it to help as best as I can since I have time and others perhaps don't. But frankly, I am through receiving stupid PMs or comments for something this futile. I thought I was helping but somehow I feel like a nuisance so I am done contributing. And I know it is weak to want to have a picture in the online database, I too know how to find google, but if the feature is there, why not try to use it. Anyway, I never wanted my contribution to touch sensible person's feelings so that is it for me.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRaymondG
Registered: July 7, 2007
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Nighthawke:
What I do is take the cover scan from another entry and copy it to my new entry. I also try to avoid watermarks or different sizes too. As I understand the integrity of the database has to be respected. What I don't understand is receiving, excuse my language, s**t from another user because there is no french on the cover as on the real cover. For me, it is not a big deal, for best someone will add a scan someday and everything will be fine, but in the meantime is it possible that it is best to have some kind of a cover. I don't do it to be lazy, I do it to help as best as I can since I have time and others perhaps don't. But frankly, I am through receiving stupid PMs or comments for something this futile. I thought I was helping but somehow I feel like a nuisance so I am done contributing. And I know it is weak to want to have a picture in the online database, I too know how to find google, but if the feature is there, why not try to use it. Anyway, I never wanted my contribution to touch sensible person's feelings so that is it for me.


Now, there is NOTHING wrong with taking coverscans from another UPC from another locality if no art is available for that UPC. It is something quite different from taking images off the web, not taking into account possible copyright issues!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsnarbo
Registered: March 13, 2007
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Now, there is NOTHING wrong with taking coverscans from another UPC from another locality if no art is available for that UPC. It is something quite different from taking images off the web, not taking into account possible copyright issues!


Except when the taken from another profile images DON'T match the UPC/EAN of the profile they are being submitted for, which I have come across quite frequently recently.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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This is why we have Rules to handle  things. I know that dj means well, based on what he has said and i understand his frustration. All I can say if everything was cool relative to the Rules, no watermarks, UPC # s, etc. and the images were a close match in size, I would not vote No. But if I had the title in my library i would have scanned my copy and would probably submit it, thus ending his frustration. These things happen.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRaymondG
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Now, there is NOTHING wrong with taking coverscans from another UPC from another locality if no art is available for that UPC. It is something quite different from taking images off the web, not taking into account possible copyright issues!


Except when the taken from another profile images DON'T match the UPC/EAN of the profile they are being submitted for, which I have come across quite frequently recently.

Steve



Not true. I submitted plenty of DVD's with a coverscan with a different UPC (download a profile and change to UPC to the one at hand and change locality ofc). I never had one single profile rejected.
When you try to REPLACE a cover, that's a different story.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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Sounds like to me you just got lucky that they were not noticed. The UPC on the coverscan is an easy thing to miss.

But it is strictly against the rules...
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Before submitting new scans of cover art, make sure your new covers are of significantly higher quality than the existing online images, and meet the following criteria:

    * The covers must match the profile exactly, including the UPC and locality.
    * Image size must be at least as large as the existing online covers. If you don't have a premium registration, you will be unable to verify this. Therefore, submit only images you have personally scanned at 100 DPI or higher.
    * If you scan images for your personal database at a quality that are higher than 100 DPI, you may still submit them. If accepted, they will automatically be downsized for inclusion in the main database.
    * Image quality must be at least on par with the existing online covers. Covers that are larger than existing images but are of inferior clarity will not be accepted.
    * Images must not contain extra watermarks, autographs, or site links.
    * Images must be of the front and back only. Do not include the spine in either the front or back image.
    * Make sure neither front nor back is of lesser quality than the existing scans.
    * If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image.
    * If a title is re-released with the same UPC, but different cover images do not contribute the new images. This includes cases where a DVD was initially released in a slipcase, which was later removed. As explained in the introduction you may use your personal images in your local database, but they will not show online.
    * Do not contribute generic "Coming Soon" images. If the back image is not yet available (as in a pre-release), use the front images in both places.
    * HD DVD and Blu-Ray discs in either HD Slim or HD Keep Case type cases without slip covers should be scanned without the HD banner.


See the first bullet point that I put in bold.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDragon 6
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If you are coping from another profile of the same movie and you don't have a scanner, etc. just copy the front image only and past it to both the front and back image slots. Then you have a cover image and you don't violate this rule:
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* The covers must match the profile exactly, including the UPC and locality.
Everything else should match the dvd you have in hand. Now you have an image instead of a blank image. Then when someone has the time and a scanner can replace the images with high-res cover scans.

However don't add a standard DVD cover for a Blu-ray profile and visa-versa.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
Registered: March 19, 2007
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That would still violate the rules - it wouldn't match the profile (e.g. visible in ratings from a different locality).

This is not to say I don't understand dj_yanno's frustration. I do, but unfortunately if you don't have access to a scanner there's very little you can do with regard to covers. Please don't let that discourage you from making contributions for other DVDP data. You're more than welcome to contribute, and if you need help to get it right, just ask in these forums.
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