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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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Based on Star Trek created by = Original Characters by or Created by?
We have a Created by credit now. I would use that. Created by is a writing credit to the author of prior work. The fact that the author wasn't involved in the current work is immaterial.
But it doesn't say "Created By" on the credit, it says "Based On Star Trek Created By". That "Based On" makes all the difference in my eyes. It means that Gene Roddenberry did not create anything for that film, but that the film was based on something else he did create. "Created by" doesn't mean that the credited person created anything for the film either. It's a credit for prior work. Quoting RHo: Quote:
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The rules chart specifically directs "Screen Story by" to be entered as "Story by".
"Based on a screen story by" != "Screen Story by" It's equivalent to me. | | | ...James
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| | Posted: | | | | Created By Gene Roddenberry
Story By Ian Watson | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | The original Star Trek series was created by Roddenberry. Gene didn't 'create' the films, they're based upon Star Trek which Gene created decades before the films ever were made.
Based upon my understanding of the rules the Original Characters credit is the one that fits the best. Gene created the characters in the first place for the original series. He didn't create them first for the movies.
Used for screenplays based on characters from another work, credit the author of the characters here.
The story/screenplay of the films are based upon characters from the TV series (ie another work). |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
The original Star Trek series was created by Roddenberry. Gene didn't 'create' the films, they're based upon Star Trek which Gene created decades before the films ever were made.
Based upon my understanding of the rules the Original Characters credit is the one that fits the best. Gene created the characters in the first place for the original series. He didn't create them first for the movies.
Used for screenplays based on characters from another work, credit the author of the characters here.
The story/screenplay of the films are based upon characters from the TV series (ie another work). "Created by" is a writing credit for more than just characters. It's why we fought to get a "Created by" credit that isn't OCB or OMB. "Created by" is given to writers who formulated characters, plot, themes, formats, settings, etc for a series. | | | ...James
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | OCB: Star Trek was created by Roddenberry, not whatever this was; but since it's based on ST, it has to be OCB--possibly OMB if it reuses stories/situations from the Roddenberry Trek, but more likely just OCB.
Story: all screenplays that are derived from screen stories are based on the screen story. This is exactly the same as Screen Story By. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | @James & Hal,
No, I'm sorry but there's a difference. You're ignoring the two most important words of the credits: "Based On".
The "Created By" credit was designed for credits where someone is directly responsible for creating something for whatever we're watching. For example, Buffy the Vampire Slayer "Created By" Joss Whedon.
According to that credit, Gene Roddenberry created nothing for these films. The films are based on the Star Trek universe which he did create, so OCB is more than justified, possibly OMB. But you can't use "Created By" because that's not what he's credited with. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| | Posted: | | | | Sorry, but these movies ARE Star Trek and everything that means, which goes way beyond just the characters.
Star Trek was created by Roddenberry, therefore, he gets a 'Created By' credit exactly the way it appears on screen.. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
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"Based on a screen story by" != "Screen Story by"
It's equivalent to me. Sure, but the rules do not allow credits for equivalent roles. The role names have to be listed in the chart, otherwise the credit is not allowed. I'd like to see equivalent role names allowed as well. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Sorry, but these movies ARE Star Trek and everything that means, which goes way beyond just the characters.
Star Trek was created by Roddenberry, therefore, he gets a 'Created By' credit exactly the way it appears on screen.. But there is no "Created by" credit on screen. There is only "Based on Star Trek created by". Definitely not the same credit but maybe it is functional equivalent. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with North. The credit reads, " Based on Star Trek Created By Gene Roddenberry'. This is a two part credit. The first part tells us that the movie was based on 'Star Trek'. The second part tells us that 'Star Trek' was created by Gene Roddenberry.
This is no different than films based on Spider-Man, The Fantastic Four, X-Men, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man, Daredevil, or any other comic created by Stan Lee. In every case, Stan Lee gets an OCB or OMB credit. Why should this be any different? Because it is 'Star Trek'? Please.
North's 'Buffy' example is spot on. That is the type of credit that qualifies. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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Sorry, but these movies ARE Star Trek and everything that means, which goes way beyond just the characters.
Star Trek was created by Roddenberry, therefore, he gets a 'Created By' credit exactly the way it appears on screen..
But there is no "Created by" credit on screen. There is only "Based on Star Trek created by". Definitely not the same credit but maybe it is functional equivalent. Maybe I'm old and don't see real well but I distinctly see the words "created by Gene Roddenberry" on the screen! | | | | Hal |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Maybe I'm old and don't see real well but I distinctly see the words "created by Gene Roddenberry" on the screen! Maybe you are because you are missing the words 'Based on'.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: August 4, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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Sorry, but these movies ARE Star Trek and everything that means, which goes way beyond just the characters.
Star Trek was created by Roddenberry, therefore, he gets a 'Created By' credit exactly the way it appears on screen..
But there is no "Created by" credit on screen. There is only "Based on Star Trek created by". Definitely not the same credit but maybe it is functional equivalent. However Based on Star Trek created by and Star Trek created by are not the same credit nor (IMHO) functional equivalent, furthermore I have never seen the credit created by in film credits, only in TV series. | | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Title of each of these movies IS 'Star Trek: episode descriptor'.
The credit gives Roddenberry his dues for creating 'Star Trek" which is the name of the movie!
Say whatever you like, as far as I'm concerned he gets the "Created By" credit.
This is why we asked for it! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kluge: Quote:
However Based on Star Trek created by and Star Trek created by are not the same credit nor (IMHO) functional equivalent, furthermore I have never seen the credit created by in film credits, only in TV series. I would agree! "Based on Star Trek created by" is functional equivalent to "original material by" and not "created by". But either way, functional equivalents are not allowed by the rules. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | "Based on Star Trek" means more than just Characters. He also created the universe, style, philosophy (and the characters) and together they all add up to Star Trek.
Created By encompasses all this
Original Characters By disregards it | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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