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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
That applies now, Enry, and has applied for two years. i have a basic problem with summarily removing which is pre July 2005 as determined by release date. That date is not arbitrary, it is when Ken said don't use IMDb even for (uncredited).
Skip True many of these credits were from profiles submitted before IMDB was a no, no. That is why in the previous DVD Profiler forum I suggest that uncredited actors be given a separate list, so people like me that don't care for them could lock them out and ignore them. As I remember many thought was a good idea. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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And now a bunch of fools will remove them without any standards or proof.
Don't need standards or proof. According to Ken if they're IMDb clones (identical), they're gone.
I think that the key word in what Ken said is "copy".
If the "Uncredited" entries were documented in the contribution notes, say with a time stamp or else, it's not a "copy", even if the uncredited credits happen to be identical to those in another database because both databases happen to be accurate once in a while! 
Am I wrong? Well, yeah, I think so. Call me a purist if you wish, but if the producers and director(s) didn't feel someone should get a credit by putting them into the credit roll, then who are we to second guess them. I can live with uncredited cameos of known actors, but stuffing a lot of uncredited extras into the cast list is simply ludicrous. But that's just my opinion. | | | John
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
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And now a bunch of fools will remove them without any standards or proof.
Don't need standards or proof. According to Ken if they're IMDb clones (identical), they're gone.
Or are you insinuating that Ken is a fool?   Based on the voting for The Mark of Zorro, it would appear there are those who do presume Ken is a fool. Uncredited's are identical to IMDB down to the comma's with one exception, Ted North ... Bit part (IMDB) Ted North ... Bit (Invelos) Presumably the "no" voters are not hanging their hat on this minor discrepancy. It would appear they are voting "no" simply because they feel like it. I've watched this movie probably a dozen times over the course of my life. Trust me when I say there isn't a single character in the entire film referred to as "Bit".  | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Mdnit:
All it takes is ONE single change, and Mark of Zorro pre-dates July 2005 as I mentioned earlier.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
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And now a bunch of fools will remove them without any standards or proof.
Don't need standards or proof. According to Ken if they're IMDb clones (identical), they're gone.
Or are you insinuating that Ken is a fool?
Based on the voting for The Mark of Zorro, it would appear there are those who do presume Ken is a fool. Uncredited's are identical to IMDB down to the comma's with one exception,
Ted North ... Bit part (IMDB)
Ted North ... Bit (Invelos)
Presumably the "no" voters are not hanging their hat on this minor discrepancy. It would appear they are voting "no" simply because they feel like it.
I've watched this movie probably a dozen times over the course of my life. Trust me when I say there isn't a single character in the entire film referred to as "Bit". One exception means it is not a "carbon copy". You can try to twist it anyway you like, but you cannot change the meaning of the words that Ken used. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | I stand corrected. There are actually people hanging their hat on the fact that the word "part" is missing. Just when you thought you saw it all...
And if that's a twist for you, riddle me this: What role does Ted North play? Is his bit part somehow different from someone else's bit part? How would you identify him when watching the movie now armed with the knowledge that he had a "bit part"? About all you can say is, "Well, he's not the guy with any of these big parts." Boy, that was sure useful. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | mdnit:
You are asking the wrong question. The data is NOT a CARBON COPY of someplace else. So it is for YOU to prove that the data is in error or else LEAVE IT ALONE.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
yes Ken has made a decision on this already.. what it boils down to is if it is an exact copy of IMDB then they are to be removed. I feel I must point out that Ken didn't say they had to be removed. He said, "you may remove them, but are not required to do so." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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yes Ken has made a decision on this already.. what it boils down to is if it is an exact copy of IMDB then they are to be removed.
I feel I must point out that Ken didn't say they had to be removed. He said, "you may remove them, but are not required to do so." Yes thanks Unicus... I mistyped that a little... When I typed that... I was actually thinkiing.. "yes Ken has made a decision on this already.. what it boils down to is if it is an exact copy of IMDB then they are able to be removed." shows what difference a word makes... especially when you are thinking quicker then you are typing  | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Yes thanks Unicus... I mistyped that a little... When I typed that... I was actually thinkiing..
"yes Ken has made a decision on this already.. what it boils down to is if it is an exact copy of IMDB then they are able to be removed."
shows what difference a word makes... especially when you are thinking quicker then you are typing No worries. Happens to me all the time.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
mdnit:
You are asking the wrong question. The data is NOT a CARBON COPY of someplace else. So it is for YOU to prove that the data is in error or else LEAVE IT ALONE.
Skip It's interesting you mention carbon copy. I'm curious, can we remove the dozen or so uncredited cast entries in this profile that are carbon copies of IMDB? You know, basically every single one except the bit part entry. I'm just sayin'. Don't bother, I already handled it in my local. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You can say whatever you wish, and you have taken the right approach. Handle it locally.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
mdnit:
You are asking the wrong question. The data is NOT a CARBON COPY of someplace else. So it is for YOU to prove that the data is in error or else LEAVE IT ALONE.
Skip Except that you and I both know that the idiot who copied all those in the first place just forget to type that one word. It is still trash, and should be removed. | | | John
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 38 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think Ken should have removed all uncredited cast when he transfered all profiles from the old DB. Then, if anyone wanted to add uncredited cast he should have to document it.
It's just keeping with the principal of adding cast as credited. | | |  |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting likwit: Quote:
I think Ken should have removed all uncredited cast when he transfered all profiles from the old DB. Then, if anyone wanted to add uncredited cast he should have to document it.
It's just keeping with the principal of adding cast as credited. The fact that he did not do this should tell you something. He does not want uncredited wholesale removed from the main database, maybe?????? | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is the way I see it too... Ken does not want whole sale removal of uncredited... but he also gave us a way to remove if we are convinced that it is taken from a third party database.
But the part I am not 100% sure on... and don't shoot me for this... but.. what I am a little confused on....
When he said only if uncredited cast is exactly the same as the third party database... is he meaning each individual listing to look at each uncredited actor separately... or does he mean the whole uncredited cast section has to be exactly... in other words...
If Uncredited cast at the 3rd Party Database says...
John Doe as Joe Blow (uncredited)
Jim Smith as Joseph Barnes (Uncredited)
And ours says...
John Doe as Joe Blow (uncredited)
Jim Smith as Joseph (Uncredited)
etc. etc. etc...
Is the both safe and can't be removed...
or is only Jim Smith as Joseph (Uncredited) need to be kept and John Doe as Joe Blow (uncredited) is the same so can be removed?
I am hoping a huge debate does not come from this... and a simple clarification for me is all that is needed. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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