Quoting RHo:

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Are we really forced to enter edition and original title when we enter the title, even if we are not sure about what should be listed as edition or we don't care about the original title?

Do we have to enter all the twenty subtitles when all we care is the original language and our locality's language when could as well enter "English, German, Other"?

Do we have to enter three genres, if we can not decide which of the genres would fit as well, but we only care for the "main genre"?

Do we have to enter the country of origin whenever we add the production year?

Do we have to enter every little bit not covered by the standard features into other features, even if we think it's not worth a other feature entry?

Can't we enter a audio track language, if we are not able to determine its technical format?

Yes all of these are single contribution units.
Why do we make an exception for cast and crew then?

Yes to all except Genres, but only because every movie does not necessarily have three genres associated with it.

For all other fields, if you do not want to take the time to make sure it is complete and accurate, simply do not check the box for that field when you contribute.  What's the big deal?

Quoting Patsa:

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Great idea Hal! I suggest you do all profiles in the future since you obviously have the time.

I think you are missing the point.  Nobody says you have to do a complete profile.  If, however, you want to contribute a correction to the 'overview', you should make sure the entire overview is correct.

If you want to upload a correction to the title field, you should make sure the whole field is correct.

If you want to correct the last name of the production sound mixer, you should make sure his first name is correct as well.

I don't understand why that is so hard to do. 

Quoting hal9g:

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If [non cast/crew] is not complete and accurate, someone else is just going to have to make another contribution to correct it, so what's the point?  You might as well just leave it out of your contribution and let someone else do it right.

We have a WINNAH!

Really, why are we still debating this?

Great things about user-generated databases are that anyone who can submit a new profile can and it is good, and also, anyone who finds an omission or an error can correct it. Even one omission cleared, even one error corrected can be one giant step to having a better database.

This insistance on everything in a field being correct is great way to stop people who are unsure of many things but correct on one thing from submitting that one good thing.

Not every improvement needs to be a major leap in perfection... perhaps a little generosity to the person who fixes one thing well might be appropriate.

If you see an uncorrected error, you, too, can fix it. While you're at it, fix everything you see...

... but perhaps you, too, saw only one thing...

I don't type. Some back cover copy is way long and it takes more effort for me than compiling an accurate cast list. But I try to muddle through -- sometimes I can get my wife to type the overview, sometimes not. But what if I make one typo? Vote no, tell me my typo to fix, and I will resubmit. Vote yes & fix it. I see no long-term harm, either way. (Especially considering certain well-known typo submitters...    )

Quoting skipnet50:

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Generosity...here, Cliff. Whatever you're smoking I want some.      

Skip

I do not smoke.

To paraphrase Lenny Bruce, I have enough stuff flying around in my head -- I don't need more.



I was a proofreader for many years, on newspaper staffs and at print shops. Every person who types professionally generates typos. Often 3 to 5 in a single paragraph or two. Then they will type for a number of paragraphs before creating another typo. Occasionally a single typo appears -- this is uncommon. Find a typesetter who types an entire magazine-length article sans typos, and I'll show you a typesetter who wastes time & money proofreading his/her own copy. Typesetters are paid more than proofreaders. It is better for more accurate and cost-effective copy for the typist to type and the proofreader to proof.

Let copy come in -- we have an entire community to proofread and correct errors and omissions. That is very good... in the long run. (Sometimes self-healing/self-correcting is not always the most efficient.)

Quoting VibroCount:

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Let copy come in -- we have an entire community to proofread and correct errors and omissions. That is very good... in the long run. (Sometimes self-healing/self-correcting is not always the most efficient.)

Quoting skipnet50:

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I absolutely agree, Cliff. Not that that has any value around here.

Skip

You agree with Cliff, despite the fact you yourself ignored the "proofreaders", even started making notes for them in contrbution note after contribution note...?
   

Quoting VibroCount:

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But what if I make one typo? Vote no, tell me my typo to fix, and I will resubmit. Vote yes & fix it. I see no long-term harm, either way. (Especially considering certain well-known typo submitters...    )

See Skip's last message above.  He was told about the error in the oveview and not only refused to fix it, he resubmitted the profile (with the error still in it) and accussed the voter of trying to blackmail him for voting no IN THE CONTIBUTION NOTE.

Sometimes people get a bug up their a** and refuse to cooperate. That's why option 2 (all correct except cast/crew) is necessary.

@skip
I don't think you should be treated any differently than anone else.  But you seem to think you don't have to follow your own behavior when it comes to voting NO on a profile.  Over the years you have been the first to tell everyone else to vote NO even if there's only a minor error in the profile contribution.  Now when someone has the temerity to try to hold you to the same standard you squeal like the proverbial stuck pig and whine about how people are "on my back."  Don't talk to me about hypocracy, Skip.  You are certainly displaying a lot of it in this thread.  And losing a lot of respect that I have for you because of this.

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Quoting hal9g:

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HOWEVER, if you tick the box for a field (other than cast or crew) that field should be complete and accurate, otherwise it should garner a "no" vote from the voters and be declined by the screeners.

So if you don't know the original title, not sure about the COO, don't know the production year... you can't contribute the info you do know?

Anyone can submit whatever they like.

Just don't be surprised if voters vote "no" or the contribution is declined if the data is incorrect or incomplete.