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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormdnitoil
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Quoting kahless:
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Maybe this is a little bit heretical, but IMHO this reputation system would not be necessary if the forums would be moderated by an administrator who immediate corrects nasty postings. This is a waste of valuable programming time. This is a battle against the symptoms but not the causes.
Many other forums out there work like this without any problems. Just my 2 cents... 


Well, in this case the programmer is also the moderator, so the waste of valuable time is moot.
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Quoting mdnitoil:
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Quoting kahless:
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Maybe this is a little bit heretical, but IMHO this reputation system would not be necessary if the forums would be moderated by an administrator who immediate corrects nasty postings. This is a waste of valuable programming time. This is a battle against the symptoms but not the causes.
Many other forums out there work like this without any problems. Just my 2 cents... 


Well, in this case the programmer is also the moderator, so the waste of valuable time is moot.


Agree but automatism does not substitute human sanity and with all due respect: the moderator does not moderate.

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I hope very much that nobody will consider my posting in this matter as an insult. It's only my opinion. I very much appreciate the hard work of Ken!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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Personally I think this reputation system is much better than the user blocking system, because that certainly did not improve the attitude of users. As matter of fact I think the blocking system is not needed anymore, because you are not able to rate the ones you block and make them behave.


EXACTLY my point. We have crossed over into censorship, if someone says something you don't like, agree with or in short BEHAVE to your standards .... I need say no more. Fortunately, i planto be very sparing in my votes.

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DVD's get censored...so why not this forum?

Seriously, if this rating system is used properly all it will do is ensure that no one has to be subjected to abuse, bigotry or bullying.

Now, surely that's a GREAT thing?
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Even if it stays as is thanks again for this tool. IMO it has already changed the tone of the forums in a positive way.


Your just saying that because you have a nice new 'Gold Star'. 


Just kidding.  Congrats' on being number 2. 
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EXACTLY my point. We have crossed over into censorship, if someone says something you don't like, agree with or in short BEHAVE to your standards .... I need say no more. Fortunately, i planto be very sparing in my votes.

Skip


Censorship requires the ability to actually censor.  We can not 'suppress or delete' anything.  All we can do is offer our opinion, via the vote system, on what we believe are good and bad posts.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Quoting Pantheon:
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DVD's get censored...so why not this forum?

Seriously, if this rating system is used properly all it will do is ensure that no one has to be subjected to abuse, bigotry or bullying.

Now, surely that's a GREAT thing?

Neill:

I don't disagree, HOWEVER from what I have seen thus far only serves to reinforce my opinion...regrettably. If you think that it pleases me to say this then you are wrong, it doesn't. People have already demonstrated that they will cast a negative vote because someone dares to voice his opinion, not because of any kind of attack, bigotry or whatever. They simply don't like what is said. They are now using the reputation system as a form of BULLYING. It is really sad.

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Yes I think it could be a good thing if it's use correctly and without abuse.
It is distressing to need this kind of system but if it could come back the serenity in the forums, I approve. I'm pro to discuss and have different opinions on a subject but with the respect of the others...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMark Harrison
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Quoting kahless:
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Maybe this is a little bit heretical, but IMHO this reputation system would not be necessary if the forums would be moderated by an administrator who immediate corrects nasty postings.


You could also say a moderator is no longer necessary now that we have an automated system in place.  This is the direction Ken choose to go.  Why not give it a fair chance before passing judgement on it?

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This is a waste of valuable programming time.


That time has already been wasted.  Any future waste should be minimal now that the job is done.  So this is no longer a valid argument.
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Just what are the chances of getting a list of posts you have voted for, at least the negative ones? Is this something that would be too difficult to implement?

Check your reputation tab now. I see we've just been given a list of the feedback we've issued, both positive and negative. Thanks, Ken! 
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Quoting skipnet50:
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People have already demonstrated that they will cast a negative vote because someone dares to voice his opinion, not because of any kind of attack, bigotry or whatever. They simply don't like what is said. They are now using the reputation system as a form of BULLYING. It is really sad.

Now, I have to disagree with you. What people say is - in my mind - of no importance as far as reputation points go - it is how they say it that matters!
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Check your reputation tab now. I see we've just been given a list of the feedback we've issued, both positive and negative. Thanks, Ken! 

That page will also show any removed or reversed feedback, with an explanation of each category.  Quick version: In either case the points are returned to the target user.  In the case of a reversal the points are then deducted from the reporting user.
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Just because someone has the freedom to say what he wants, doesn't mean I have to listen to him/her.  I think my vote against someone is the same thing as me telling him/her I think he/she should "shut up."
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That page will also show any removed or reversed feedback, with an explanation of each category.  Quick version: In either case the points are returned to the target user.  In the case of a reversal the points are then deducted from the reporting user.


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Personally I think this reputation system is much better than the user blocking system, because that certainly did not improve the attitude of users. As matter of fact I think the blocking system is not needed anymore, because you are not able to rate the ones you block and make them behave.

I agree, that this system is much superior to the blocking feature. Therefore I instantly removed any user blocks before giving this system a chance.

But now I'm wondering, if it would be useful to set up dynamical blocks based on this user ratings: would it clean up the forums significantly, if any post of any user below a certain rate would be hidden?

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With the normalization in place that votes older than 30 days no longer counting towards your positive or negative score, you'll end up potentially seeing whatever content was previously blocked so in my opinion, not too useful.
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