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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Well, if you think that the best way to promote a system (the rules), is to do yourself the contrary of what you ask other users to do, I understand better the mess in the online. Please show me where I said it was the best way. I don't think I ever said that. The best way would be for Ken to update the rules as soon as one of these flaws is discovered. Quote: "You do what I say and I do what I want." doesn't work with 500 000 users. Please show me where I said that. When people ask a question, I give an answer based on my understanding of the rules. While I do say, per the rules, you can or can't do it that way, I never tell people what to do. That choice is up to them and, if it is a title I own, I will vote accordingly. Quote: I'm sorry, but the problem with this system, which doesn't work, comes from the fact that no room is left for odd cases, and everybody does what he wants in those odd cases. I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that you aren't just after flexibility in odd cases. You want the ability to 'correct' things you don't like...at least that is the impression you give. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
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You know perfectly well that two movies on one side of a disc CANNOT PHYSICALLY BE ENTERED AS A BOXSET. The program does not permit it.
Entering it as a single profile is the ONLY way it can be done because that's the only thing the program permits.
No, it's not the only way. You can make two manual profiles, keep them local, then share them through a particular thread or site as it is done for other things that we share but that cannot be contributed due to program limitations: headshots, and images for galleries.
Since there is another way, I do not see any reason to violate rules.
Once again, it is inconsistent to ask to follow strictly rules then explain there are cases where we can violate them. Except if rules had a preliminary sentence explaining that in odd cases, rules may be interpreted with the aim of improving the data, with documented explanations given to voters and screeners to decide if it is acceptable. Again, as you know manual profiles cannot be contributed to the online database. Creating manual profiles and keeping them local is useless to the rest of the community. Only a very small percentage of DVDP users would ever find them in a thread here! Using cast/crew dividers is the only way to do these profiles in such a way as to share the work with the rest of the community. I think you just like to argue! Surprisingly enough, there seem to be a significant number of people who agree with this approach since it has been used for single-sided double features in this manner ever since the "dividers" were added to the program functionality. In fact, it was done prior to that, with many people using a bogus cast entry as a divider. Further discussion on this topic is a waste of time, since you refuse to see the difference between this situation and typos or actual film credits. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: You want the ability to 'correct' things you don't like...at least that is the impression you give. This is the reputation one particular user worked hard to give me, and that many of you followed blindly. Please quote where I asked for the right to do what I want. I just said that rules should not be followed strictly in ALL cases, since there are cases where they are not adapted. I also have my opinion on the choices that were made, as for typos in the overview. I think it is crap and bad data in the online, but I correct them locally and do not care if other users love them. I have no difficulty to follow that rule, even if personally I find it stupid. If you find a contribution from me, among the 450 I made, where I corrected a typo in an overview, please tell me so that I can resubmit the original typo. | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I think you just like to argue! You say I just like to argue, but I spent several hundreds of hours to share 11000 images from movies on a site I created for dvdprofiler users since the system doesn't allow to contribute galleries. It is not difficult to share a manual profile that cannot be contributed, so please do not try to present me as a troll. | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
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I think you just like to argue!
You say I just like to argue, but I spent several hundreds of hours to share 11000 images from movies on a site I created for dvdprofiler users since the system doesn't allow to contribute galleries. It is not difficult to share a manual profile that cannot be contributed, so please do not try to present me as a troll. You really do like to put words into other people's mouths, don't you. I never said or even implied that you were a troll. I said you just like to argue. That is not even close to being the same thing. As for your images, thank you very much, but it has nothing to do with this discussion any more than SKip's being the "father of the Rules" ever has anything to do with discussions about the Rules on this forum. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Further discussion on this topic is a waste of time, since you refuse to see the difference between this situation and typos or actual film credits. I should say that further discussion on this topic is a waste of time since you refuse to see my position other than the caricature made by one user. Please read carefully what I write, and not what you understood after reading what "somebody" explained about things I never wrote. | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
As for your images ...but it has nothing to do with this discussion . It is just an example that proves that we can share non contributable data. And the impossibity to share manual profiles was the reason you used to excuse rules violations. | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 762 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting surfeur51:
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You know perfectly well that two movies on one side of a disc CANNOT PHYSICALLY BE ENTERED AS A BOXSET. The program does not permit it.
Entering it as a single profile is the ONLY way it can be done because that's the only thing the program permits.
No, it's not the only way. You can make two manual profiles, keep them local, then share them through a particular thread or site as it is done for other things that we share but that cannot be contributed due to program limitations: headshots, and images for galleries.
Since there is another way, I do not see any reason to violate rules.
Once again, it is inconsistent to ask to follow strictly rules then explain there are cases where we can violate them. Except if rules had a preliminary sentence explaining that in odd cases, rules may be interpreted with the aim of improving the data, with documented explanations given to voters and screeners to decide if it is acceptable.
Again, as you know manual profiles cannot be contributed to the online database. Creating manual profiles and keeping them local is useless to the rest of the community. Only a very small percentage of DVDP users would ever find them in a thread here!
Using cast/crew dividers is the only way to do these profiles in such a way as to share the work with the rest of the community.
I think you just like to argue!
Surprisingly enough, there seem to be a significant number of people who agree with this approach since it has been used for single-sided double features in this manner ever since the "dividers" were added to the program functionality. In fact, it was done prior to that, with many people using a bogus cast entry as a divider.
Further discussion on this topic is a waste of time, since you refuse to see the difference between this situation and typos or actual film credits. It would be nice to have the rules updated how the profiling is done in the case of 2 movies being on a single sided disc. This would stop (I hope!) some of the continuing arguments about it. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote: It would be nice to have the rules updated how the profiling is done in the case of 2 movies being on a single sided disc. This would stop (I hope!) some of the continuing arguments about it. I agree, however, there's really only one person arguing the other side. The rest of us have been using episode dividers for this for years without an issue. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheDarkKnight: Quote: Rules evolve with the change of the program and have to be adjusted/changed/modified, whatever you want to call it and this is a long and difficult progress. And sometimes a painful process! Agreed but does not help when your commander and chief fails to communicate. And it would seem more than obvious to me that from the get go the ability to include several movies one profile should have been mandatory. | | | Last edited: by ShinyDiscGuy |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
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Further discussion on this topic is a waste of time, since you refuse to see the difference between this situation and typos or actual film credits.
I should say that further discussion on this topic is a waste of time since you refuse to see my position other than the caricature made by one user. Please read carefully what I write, and not what you understood after reading what "somebody" explained about things I never wrote. Please do not presume to know how I reached my conclusions in this thread. It has nothing to do with what anybody else has said in the past. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
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As for your images ...but it has nothing to do with this discussion .
It is just an example that proves that we can share non contributable data. And the impossibity to share manual profiles was the reason you used to excuse rules violations. In case you were not aware, it was I who started the sticky thread called "Manual Profiles Available to Share" in the "Contribution Discussion" forum. | | | Hal |
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