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The rumor is that GTA IV was delayed to make it a PS3 exclusive.  Of course, that's just the rumor.  Remember, the issues they had with Xbox 360 not having a hard drive on every console and how that made things more difficult for them.  Therefore, I'm not sure about the PS3 holding up GTA IV.  In the end, the PS3 holding up GTA IV is the only rumor.

It's not a PS3 exclusive and it never will be, the MS deal of 2 exclusive DLC episodes for 360 still stands, the 360 is the only way to get the complete GTA4, and the delay is because the game is not ready for either platform, ESPECIALLY the PS3, that is why no PS3 build has ever been seen by press or public, it is still in that bad a shape. And how can anything be Take-two's fault? They are just a publisher how would they know how difficult the PS3 SDK is to develop on and how little help Sony give out to 3rd party devs (even the ones who helped create the PS legacy)? Did you mean Rockstar? Oh sorry I forgot your knowledge is limited solely to what you paraphrase from "www.i-am-a-fanboy-retard.com", you don't actually know anything about the game or movie industries...

Did you know you have to PAY for the extra 2 DLC?  I believe it should be something like $90 for the game and the 2 DLC.  Enjoy that $90 for the FULL game. 

Take-Two delays GTA IV

Take Two Execs explain why THEY delayed GTA IV

Will you EVER get tired of putting your foot in your mouth? 

Where in those 2 links you provided does it support any argument that stefc put his foot in his mouth???

If you can't see it, don't worry about it.

LOL, you mean get that you actually make no sense at all sometimes.  Stefc responded to your post about the "rumor" that GTA IV was delayed to make it a PS3 exclusive and he also stated that Take-Two is the publisher not the game developer.  Where in those 2 links is there any information that puts his foot in his mouth???  Please explain your comment with some kind of proof.  I didn't read anything that said it was delayed to become a PS3 exclusive nor was there anything relevant about why it was delayed reguarding either console.  Please tell me your foot in mouth comment had nothing to do with Take-Two being a publsiher, because that is what Take-Two is in this case!!!

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And how can anything be Take-two's fault? They are just a publisher how would they know how difficult the PS3 SDK is to develop on and how little help Sony give out to 3rd party devs (even the ones who helped create the PS legacy)? Did you mean Rockstar?  Oh sorry I forgot your knowledge is limited solely to what you paraphrase from "www.i-am-a-fanboy-retard.com", you don't actually know anything about the game or movie industries...

Again, you still show nothing, Take-Two is a managing publisher, not the game developer, so how is it Take-Two's fault in anyway???  It is Take-Two's responsibility to release any information to the press while Rockstar develops the game, your link proves that and nothing else.  Stefc said nothing to put his foot in his mouth.

Here let me help you...

"Zelnick explained that "the final say" to delay GTA IV was with him, but that "this wasn't a decision we took lightly.  This wasn't a decision (Rockstar) took lightly."

From that link above.  Again you fail to show how stefc put his foot in his mouth!!!

Yeah I still don't see how anything in those 2 links should make me put my foot in my mouth, in fact they mostly provide "factual backup" to what I have said, so thanks for getting proof for me so I didn't have to bother.

Link 1 is an expired article "The story "Take-Two delays 'Grand Theft Auto IV'" published Aug 2, 2007 2:22 is no longer available on CNET News.com." And link 2 is exactly what I said in my previous post. The official announcement at the Take 2 conference call was "the game will not be ready in time". Your article also backs up my statement that MS have paid for the DLC episodes (which were due in March), by stating that MS wont be getting that money back because the episodes aren't shipping in March.

The part that is not in the Take 2 official statement is that the PS3 build has not been seen and is behind the 360 build in terms of completion, so lets stay with Kotaku for that shall we?

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"We think it is also likely that Take-Two had a contractual commitment to Sony that it would not favour competitor Microsoft by launching the Xbox 360 version of GTA IV prior to launching the PS3 version, and believe that any delay of the PS3 version necessitated a delay of the Xbox 360 version,"

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But I guess if you want the complete experience with the episodes, then yeah, you should buy the 360, I suppose.

I guess you'll want to discredit Pachter as a "fanboy" analyst who doesnt know anything about GTA4 or Sony so how about this tidbit from before the delay was announced:

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And here is the other rumour about the lack of 360 hard drive in core models presenting an issue for the game, as it relies on caching:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/uh%2C-oh/rockstar-gtaiv-limited-by-360-257184.php

So everything I remembered correctly from memory on the subject is in front of you in written form. Happy now? How do your feet taste? Bit like pickled onion monster munch? (there a reference strictly for UK forum members )

Stefc...

Just because an analyst says it, does not make it true.

The analyst you're quoting all to happily, blames the PS3 and he has no clue as to why it was really delayed, as do none of us.

I asked once, I'll ask twice, please stop all the rumor mongoring.

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Stefc...

Just because an analyst says it, does not make it true.

The analyst you're quoting all to happily, blames the PS3 and he has no clue as to why it was really delayed, as do none of us.

I asked once, I'll ask twice, please stop all the rumor mongoring.

True the rumors are getting ridiculous, however I don't see anything in stefc's post where he is saying that Pachter is right or wrong, he is only providing a link to dispute A_S claims that he inserted his foot in his mouth.

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I don't mind rumors, as long as they are not prsented as facts. If you state it is a rumor, so be it. But, I don't like when a rumor starts to take on a life of its own.

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Let me clarify...

I don't mind rumors, as long as they are not prsented as facts. If you state it is a rumor, so be it. But, I don't like when a rumor starts to take on a life of its own.

I love it, its fine for you to randomly post rumours about Warner and Toshiba with no links and no basis in the other thread. Yet its not alright for me to mention a leading market analyst's conjecture that just happens to have a negative reflection on Sony, especially coupled with previous conjecture by the same analyst on the same subject that turned out to be completely correct, and to show I'm not biased, I added a rumour that reflects badly on Microsoft.

All I did was point out that all the rumours and opinions ASC mentioned were way off, and bring the thread up to date and shine some light on the situation, presenting the FACTS about GTA 4 and the feasible rumours (educated peoples views on what is going on behind closed doors.)

Here's the link tot he "rumor" i posted.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-dvdwar10sep10,1,7403241.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

I apologize that I mistook your reason for posting the rumors.

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I have a room full of kittens for sale. 

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I have a room full of kittens for sale. 

Maybe this link will help. 

That room full of kittens were already sold some time ago.  Apparently, they're in demand.

I take it you have something to do with Penny Arcade?