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I guess we're fortunate that everyone doesn't take this position.

It is really sad to think that a few rotten apples can potentially ruin it for everyone.

Tougher skin is probably in order for all!

I think that's the issue. While not everyone takes this position, a lot of people do because of attitudes of some on this forum. I'll flat out say Skip is one of them. I know at least 10 people personally with DVDProfiler (this is not "online" friends, real live people). Of the 10, a couple just don't submit because they don't, but the rest don't submit at all because of what they see in the contribution forum and/or remarks made in the voting process. They just don't bother because of the sour attitude.

This is not to say there aren't great people on the board, there are. But your bad apples are really bitter, sour apples that is a reflection on both the forum and the software in the contribution sense. People want to have fun doing this, not get into (or read) a twelve page argument whenever a seemingly innocent question is raised.

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When did this happen?  The issue that came up earlier was about a user that refused to document his data in any way, shape, or form.  That user stated, quite clearly, that it was the voter's responsibility to document the changes.  All he had to do was point out the fact that he made them.

It's quotes like this that tarnish Profiler's reputation:

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...in my book undocumented data is INCORRECT data even if it is correct.

This doesn't even make sense. At all. And it's this attitude that seems to be prevalent throughout the contribution threads.

If you take a step back and, instead of a senior member, look at some of these threads through a lurker's eyes, or new member's eyes and there will be no question on why there aren't more frequent submitters. People just don't want to deal with this hostility, especially when (as I mentioned) this is something to be fun.

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I can understand how this can be annoying but, said users are not going to approve or decline the contribution.  If I don't agree with a 'no' vote, and can't convince the 'no' voter to change their mind, I ignore it and let the screeners decide.  Why does it have to be any harder than that?

It shouldn't be, but if the screener sides with the lone no vote, I go back to what's the point. If you are getting a decline on a submission that the data you entered is correct, but the old data is incorrect, why even bother if submitting correct data if it's only going to be declined because one person (or two people) have a bug up their ass?

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The point is that this software is what it is because people take the time to contribute data.  If we all decided to keep our data to ourselves, how long do you think this program would last?  I don't contribute for the benefit of the forum members.  I contribute for the benefit of the 'regular' users.  That, to me, is the point.

I agree, to an extent. I would love to help build the database, but some of the forum members are so negative and so nasty I just don't bother. To be honest, I really wish it was different, but it's really hard to find the motivation to contribute to something where if you make a mistake, or do something someone doesn't agree with, you could get nasty PMs. Like Pantheon, I'm better off just handling my DB locally, and I can assure you, I'm not the only one that feels this way.

Like I said, there are some incredibly helpful people on this forum. Incredibly helpful. But your few bad apples who run seemingly unchecked (and seemingly encouraged) really hurts the missing database contributions that you could be having.

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I have a solution for all disgruntled DVD Profiler contributors, buy Region 4 Australian DVDs. I have a number of good reasons for suggesting this:

- We need more contributors. You will be made very welcome and even receive positive reputation feedback for your good contribitions;
- Avoid all of the pain associated with contributing in other regions. We do not have any obnoxious users in Region 4 Australia that I know of ;
- Our dollar is currently very weak compared to others. I don't know why we have to suffer so much in this World Wide Financial Crisis but everyone flees our dollar when fiscal and budgetary challenges appear. A link to the current exhange rates can be found here. After being at near parity to the US dollar six months ago, this is quite a decline. That means cheap DVDs for you. Our economy needs the business; and
- As Europeans already know, the PAL colour system is superior to NTSC.

Come on, you know that you want to.

Give me some GOOD webshops that ship to Europe and I'm your man!
(cd-wow sucks so you can leave that one out  )

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I have a solution for all disgruntled DVD Profiler contributors, buy Region 4 Australian DVDs. I have a number of good reasons for suggesting this:

- We need more contributors. You will be made very welcome and even receive positive reputation feedback for your good contribitions;
- Avoid all of the pain associated with contributing in other regions. We do not have any obnoxious users in Region 4 Australia that I know of ;
- Our dollar is currently very weak compared to others. I don't know why we have to suffer so much in this World Wide Financial Crisis but everyone flees our dollar when fiscal and budgetary challenges appear. A link to the current exhange rates can be found here. After being at near parity to the US dollar six months ago, this is quite a decline. That means cheap DVDs for you. Our economy needs the business; and
- As Europeans already know, the PAL colour system is superior to NTSC.

Come on, you know that you want to.

Give me some GOOD webshops that ship to Europe and I'm your man!
(cd-wow sucks so you can leave that one out  )

This is a reasonable hub site that will help you find the best price. Most of the e-tailers listed will ship to the EU.

ehrrr, where's the link?

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I have a solution for all disgruntled DVD Profiler contributors, buy Region 4 Australian DVDs. I have a number of good reasons for suggesting this:

- We need more contributors. You will be made very welcome and even receive positive reputation feedback for your good contribitions;
- Avoid all of the pain associated with contributing in other regions. We do not have any obnoxious users in Region 4 Australia that I know of ;
- Our dollar is currently very weak compared to others. I don't know why we have to suffer so much in this World Wide Financial Crisis but everyone flees our dollar when fiscal and budgetary challenges appear. A link to the current exhange rates can be found here. After being at near parity to the US dollar six months ago, this is quite a decline. That means cheap DVDs for you. Our economy needs the business; and
- As Europeans already know, the PAL colour system is superior to NTSC.

Come on, you know that you want to.

Give me some GOOD webshops that ship to Europe and I'm your man!
(cd-wow sucks so you can leave that one out  )

This is a reasonable hub site that will help you find the best price. Most of the e-tailers listed will ship to the EU.

ehrrr, where's the link?

I would be interested as well!

[EDIT: Thanks for the link!
I've also just checked a currency converter: 1.00 AUD=0.509303 EUR ]


By the way, I've just contributed something for an R4 profile (Bounce: Special 2 Disc Edition
9-398511-386036) already in the database.
Actually I bought it on CD-WOW, but it's Australian as to DVD distributor, region and rating system (M15+, as M was formerly known, I gather).
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So let me try and understand you, Alien. You don't want hostility and anger but you want to be allowed to be hostile and angry yourself. And you make a direct attack on another user and expect to not get called for it. I will say based on the Contributions I have seen from you I am glad that you aren't, they were garbage.

Do you have some problem following the Rules, trust me, they are no where near as hard as some users here want to make them. And it is always the same small handful of users  who keep trying to make trouble, the majority of users who actively Contribute show few problems with comprehension of the Rules.

Same goes for you, Vittra. Except your Contributions which I haven't seen.

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That is unacceptable behavior, and you should not expect to be allowed to behave with hostility towards someone without getting bitten.