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Unlink locality and rating
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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When I buy an edition from a locality outside my country, I get rating of this locality, though the only thing that interests me is the rating of the movie in my country.

Ex: I buy a US movie on a UK edition, and I get UK rating for this movie, not the rating in my country.

At present time, on my local database, I can keep the locality of the edition and loose movie rating information for my country, or change locality to France and loose the information about the locality of the edition I own. None of those solutions is really satisfying.

I would like to have an option that allows to link rating system to a choosen country, independant of the locality of the release.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStaNDarD
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I like to see the original rating and this is an 'online-field'.
So I think it might be better to get an additional 'local-only' rating field, which should be unlinked from locality.
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I like to see the original rating and this is an 'online-field'.
So I think it might be better to get an additional 'local-only' rating field, which should be unlinked from locality.

I just asked for an option. Those who want to keep original rating would just not use that option.

I'm not in favor of an additional field , except if we can delete the original rating from the general window in layouts, which is not the case at present time.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStaNDarD
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I see what you mean, but in fact I would like to see both.

But I think you're right, as long as we can't deactivate those rating(s) from the general window, it might be a bad idea to add an additional one.
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That would be easy enough to do and you can already do it. But such a change would never be contributable.
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Quoting Winston Smith:
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... you can already do it

How ?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMithi
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Quoting surfeur51:
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... though the only thing that interests me is the rating of the movie in my country.


One word: Tags

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Quoting Mithi:
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One word: Tags

No, tags cannot represent correctly rating in the general window of the layout. The only solution at present (which I use) is to change the locality. I would prefer having correct locality, but for me it is far more important to have correct rating for the movie than correct locality for the DVD. After all, I collect movies, not DVDs.
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Quoting Mithi:
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One word: Tags

No, tags cannot represent correctly rating in the general window of the layout. The only solution at present (which I use) is to change the locality. I would prefer having correct locality, but for me it is far more important to have correct rating for the movie than correct locality for the DVD. After all, I collect movies, not DVDs.

Ok now I am gradually beginning to understand the basis for some of the various "discussions" that have been going on.

On the specific idea of unlinking Rating and Locality, I would not agree with this. The word "Rating" is used in this instance as a shorthand for the Rating as designated by the appropriate Ratings Authority as applies to the content on the DVD within the specific distribution market (locality). Hence the "Rating" you are talking about is by (Invelos') definition a concept that is tied inextricably to Locality. Unlinking them would have major nasty consequences on the program (and plugins  ).

Now it is perfectly reasonable to request another, different field, that has a different connotation, maybe "Content Country of Origin Rating," or something like that.

You could of course also create a TAG, as has been mentioned, make your own HTML section to replace the General Section, and display your TAG. I know that would be a lot of work, but it is possible.

I haven't checked, by there may already be a sample HTML section replacement for the General Info Window in the Layouts Forum.
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You could of course also create a TAG, as has been mentioned, make your own HTML section to replace the General Section, and display your TAG. I know that would be a lot of work, but it is possible.

Well, I do not see why an option to display Spanish ratings for Spanish users, German ratings for German users, or French ratings for French users can be a problem for the database.  But if it is, I'll just keep the change of locality I made for all my non-French releases. BTW, it is another reason for me (and I think for many users), not to contribute to the database.
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Well, I do not see why an option to display Spanish ratings for Spanish users, German ratings for German users, or French ratings for French users can be a problem for the database. But if it is, I'll just keep the change of locality I made for all my non-French releases. BTW, it is another reason for me (and I think for many users), not to contribute to the database.


Do you honestly think that people (in relevant numbers) bother to change the locality of a title so they can use their own country's rating?

I'd rather think that most people don't bother with the rating at all.

The only time the german rating has any interest for me is when there are two different cut versions - one cut, one uncut - with two different ratings on it. But why would I bother to change the rating of a UK DVD to it's german counterpart?


To be perfectly honest (and a bit blunt) I don't care about this feature request one way or the other. But I started to notice a tendency in your posts that seem to end with "because X is the way it is, people (generalization) don't contribute"
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But why would I bother to change the rating of a UK DVD to it's german counterpart?

On the UK DVD, there is a movie (no matter its country of origin).
This movie can be rated 18 in UK, 16 in Germany, 12 in France (just an example)
If we (you and me) have both the UK release, perhaps you are not interested to display German rating, but I prefer to have French rating than UK rating, since I can see this movie in my home with French teenagers, and not with English teenagers. Whether it is, or not, allowed for them in my country is more important to know than it is (or not) allowed for them in another country.

Quoting DJ Doena:
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But I started to notice a tendency in your posts that seem to end with "because X is the way it is, people (generalization) don't contribute"

Changing the locality means creating a totally new (and fictitious) profile, and this is strictly forbidden. It is not just a correction in an existing field. This is why I would prefer another solution.
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... This is why I would prefer another solution.
So maybe the title of your thread is misleading? That's what my post referred to. Unlinking the existing fields doesn't work. But adding a new field - perfectly legitimate request IMHO. There is no need to threaten to stop contributing when people agree with you ... (or even when they don't, actually). 

Summary: What you proposed: option to display the Content Rating, CoO in lieu of Locality Rating - doesn't work
                Alternative proposal: A new personal info field: CoO Content Rating, where Content is the movie, music video or whatever is on the DVD

Could the alternative work for you?
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Could the alternative work for you?

I think you have not understood what I want. I do not want CoO rating. I want that for their movies, users can choose the country of the rating system which is displayed (as each user can choose the language of the program : I use French translation, I would like to use French rating, independantly from where the DVD was manufactured).

And about contribution, there is absolutely no threat. It is just the contrary. In the general frame of your Gold project, I analysed my profiles to see what to do to help to restart contributing. In my case, I have a big problem with cast and crew, and a big problem with the fact I change the locality. And I think I'm not alone, since many French profiles have in the online database Belgian or Swiss profiles with same UPC, and same cover. Why where those fictitious profiles created ? I'm quite sure it is because those who contributed those titles wanted to have the rating system of their country.
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Edit: Nevermind.  Nothing I say will make a difference here.
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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Do you honestly think that people (in relevant numbers) bother to change the locality of a title so they can use their own country's rating?

I really don't.
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I'd rather think that most people don't bother with the rating at all.

Exactly. Or if they care, they have this thingy, it's called 'The Internet' IIRC, where you can look such information up. With a "My Links" to your regional certification-agency this might even be automatable.

As this whole user-locality-rating would/should uncontributable anyways one could just as well use different methods to achieve such a goal. Tags or Collection Categories (If not already used for different purposes)


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