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| Registered: August 10, 2007 | | Posts: 3 |
| | Posted: | | | | 6 Days ago i sended my contribution for the "U2 - 360° At the rose bowl" Blu-ray. The existing profile is not complete (e.g. no Cast, no Overview, no Disc-ID) and the cover scan looks terrible. But my new profile was voted 2 times with "No". Why is this so?  Left side my profile, right side the existing: http://www.abload.de/img/u2360nk4u.jpg | | | | Last edited: by XxJakeBluesxX |
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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | What did you put in the contribution notes? For every additions/correction you have to add the source or at least the explanation for the correction/addition. | | | | Cor |
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| Registered: August 10, 2007 | | Posts: 3 |
| | Posted: | | | | I added the sources in this posting: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=459092&PageNum=LAST | | | | Last edited: by XxJakeBluesxX |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | apart from your notes... Whenever someone votes no they have to leave a reason. What reasons did they leave? To see reasons just click on the Yes: XX No: 2 link... and it will show the reasons. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've checked it out & the "No" votes are saying that the changed CoO & Production Year are wrong. It does certainly seem that way at a quick glance. It may be a German locality title but it's still a US production. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | You are only leaving this in current notes... Quote:
The transfer of my contribution yesterday seems to be faulty. Here's another one. That tells people nothing at all. you are not telling what is changed and where from. your previous notes said... Quote:
Birth Years found on Wikipedia, Cast and Crew found on the Backside Cover. Cover Scans by me. Track List and Bonus-Materials written of by the Cover Backside. I see a few problems with those notes. - Are the birth years needed? Per rules we only use birth years to separate two like names. - Did not give examples of different dvds for each name for the need of birth years. - Cast and Crew comes from credits only | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Your notes have no value, the data appears to be both incorrect and undocumented, the NO votes are deserved and valid. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ah I see a couple of faults indeed. First of all the source for the cast and crew have to be the film credits only and not from the back cover or a website. The only exception is when the actors are credited without associated roles, only then you could use another source (or just the film itself). Birth Years should be entered only when there are more than one person under the same common name. If so you have to explain in the notes why the Birth Year (BY) is needed and at least two/three sources for the added Birth Year. The actors with accepted BYs in the online db are listed here: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=250804Bonus Material should be checked by the disc itself (not the back cover only). I think it would be wise to read the contribution rules: http://www.invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: August 10, 2007 | | Posts: 3 |
| | Posted: | | | | [quote]wrong production country; wrong case type; wrong release date;[/quote] O.K., my vault.  But the Case Type for the german release is HD Keep Case (the left cover is a Slim Case). Look:  | | | | Last edited: by XxJakeBluesxX |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Your notes have no value, the data appears to be both incorrect and undocumented, the NO votes are deserved and valid. Crap.  | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Don't be discouraged, it takes time to get used to contributing. The more you contribute the easier it gets although I'm afraid even people who have contributed for years make mistakes now and then. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. I've gotten lots of help on the forums and most questions are easily and quickly answered. |
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| Registered: June 26, 2009 |  Posts: 8 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is a very interesting discussion. We have rules - yes. But in some cases people do simply not accept solid evidence. Example a local version of Julie & Julia - even though the contribution was followed with cover showing a inique EAN no - was declined. Other examples are that even if the DVD profiler contains invalid information (Details are region 1 and cover is region 2) - someone declines updates of the details to be aligned with the cover version (a unique EAN no.) Contribution rules and updates are apparently not standardised in all minds. Someone out there has to think beyond their own small narrow-minded box.  One other thing that I find odd, is the fact the information validated through IMDB and other great movie sites are declined, and despite this the DVDprofiler program is linked to IMDB info. Isn't this weird???  I don't know who is right and who is wrong, but as long as I've got a DVD/BlueRay in my hand, no one can stop me from updating my local version of DVDprofiler, with the CORRECT info  | | | | Last edited: by JTh |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting JTh: Quote:
This is a very interesting discussion. We have rules - yes. But in some cases people do simply not accept solid evidence. Example a local version of Julie & Julia - even though the contribution was followed with cover showing a inique EAN no - was declined. This can happen if you try to contribute a so-called "ReRelease-Cover". For the maindatabase at the moment only images of the initial release are allowed. It should not happen if the existing images are incorrect (showing a different EAN/UPC), but it might happen if the contribution notes don't make clear that the existing scans are incorrect. Quote:
Other examples are that even if the DVD profiler contains invalid information (Details are region 1 and cover is region 2) This is not supposed to happen, provided you corrected the incorrect part and did not try the other way round. Quote:
One other thing that I find odd, is the fact the information validated through IMDB and other great movie sites are declined, and despite this the DVDprofiler program is linked to IMDB info. Isn't this weird??? This may seem so. The main reason for disallowing Third Party Database material is a very simple one: Copyright. All databases I'm aware of allow the use of their data for non-commercial purposes only. Since DVDProfiler is a commercial product, IMDb disallows the usage of their data, as long as Invelos doesn't buy the license to do so. It is not very likely that this will ever happen. Quote:
I don't know who is right and who is wrong, but as long as I've got a DVD/BlueRay in my hand, no one can stop me from updating my local version of DVDprofiler, with the CORRECT info Correct, and I'm quite sure that many users have variations from the main database in their local databases, for one reason or the other. As an example: I handle the Arts-Crew, much more restrictive than the rules require, so my contributions for those usually are correct, but only very scarcely complete. The problem that arises from your statement is hidden in the first ten words: If you don't know who is right and who is wrong, how do you decide what is correct?? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Silence_of_Lambs addressed most of the things the way I would - thank you. But I would like to add one thing re: Quoting JTh: Quote:
... no one can stop me from updating my local version of DVDprofiler, with the CORRECT info... This is one area that DVDP excels - you can make you LOCAL database the way you want it. You can customize it and change it to suit you and your needs. It is only when someone wants to contribute to the ONLINE database that certain guidelines are in place. There are many things that I might not like or that I think would enhance the database. The problem is that no one program can be everything to everyone. DVDP is designed to suit the individual needs locally and the community, as best it can, online. There are steps that an individual can address changes they would like to see: Feature Requests http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx. Another area you might be interested in joining is the Rules Committee which can be found on the same link above. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Silence and Kathy said it all. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Blair | | Resistance is Futile! |
| Registered: October 30, 2008 | | Posts: 1,249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Don't take "no" votes too personally  You aren't the first person to receive one and to wonder why; you won't be the last. Just live and learn. Anyway, so what if you make a mistake? It can be corrected and life will go on, and as Kathy pointed out, you can customize things locally in your own collection if you want without submitting them to the database. Submissions are always welcome, but they obviously aren't a requirement to use the software or to update your local information. You'll get the hang of it, and then years from now you will be sitting back propped up in your recliner and you will laugh about the old days... ... ok, maybe not since it's only one of hundreds of things most of us do on the web each day. Just don't kick yourself too hard. it's all good  | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk. | | | | Last edited: by Blair |
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