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Asking titles to be removed from the database
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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I've just had a PM exchange with one of the users here regarding changing the Title of an entry in the database to "Remove from DB".

The origin of this "dispute" was that I had just bought a DVD and when I entered the UPC in Profiler it came up as... "Remove from DB".

In his contribution notes the user says (UPCs removed from quote to protect the user):
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As best as I can tell, this version doesn't exist. The correct UPC is XXXXXX-XXXXXX. Remove from DB.
(declined), and
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Real UPC is XXXXXX-XXXXXX. Doesn't seem to have been released under this UPC. Remove from DB.
(approved)

In the PM exchange the followed, one of his arguments was
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We can never know any UPC doesn't exist. When  see something that's been in the DB for years, lacking most info, including rear cover scans and have never been updated and no owners object when I put in a request to remove it, it a safe bet it wasn't released under that UPC in the US, though.


I would like to strongly discourage anyone from attempting to have entries removed on the above grounds. There are countless entries in the database that are lacking in most info, but are nevertheless totally bona fide entries. It is, in fact, one of the strong points of Profiler that it does contain many titles and UPCs that are rare and that not many people own. It would be a great loss if we started to remove them from the database solely on the supposition that it's wrong because it hasn't been updated.

I hope the majority agrees on this. <Steps off the soapbox>
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I always thought the only valid reasons to remove a profile are an invalid UPC or invalid UPC/locality pair or an obvious bootleg.
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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I always thought the only valid reasons to remove a profile are an invalid UPC or invalid UPC/locality pair or an obvious bootleg.


That was my understanding as well!
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My general standard is lack of positive signifiers of validity. I've had quite a few removals approved using this standard. If a title has been in the DB for years and is clearly lacking data or has bad data, has never been updated and has cover scans that either don't have a back or show the wrong UPC, chances are it doesn't exist. If it does exist, someone who owns it can speak up when the request is put in to remove it. If you can't get bad data removed without proving it's bad (generally impossible) then the database will fill up with cruft.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
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Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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If a title has been in the DB for years and is clearly lacking data or has bad data, has never been updated and has cover scans that either don't have a back or show the wrong UPC, chances are it doesn't exist.


Just out of curiosity: How do you find such titles?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAce_of_Sevens
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Lots of ways. For instance, the contents of the Columbia Best Pictures collection, which I own, seemed to all be made up UPCS, or at least most of it. The main way is that when I go to add something to my wishlist and see multiple instance of what shoudl be the same release, I look into them to see which one I want to put in my DB. Often one of them hasn't been updated since release and dates back to when the standards for getting something accepted were much lower. The main giveaways are bad or missing data, cover scan from the wring locality, cover scan with the wrong UPC and front cover scan only (obviously yanked from DVD Empire or something and not user-scanned).
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDarklyNoon
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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I always thought the only valid reasons to remove a profile are an invalid UPC or invalid UPC/locality pair or an obvious bootleg.


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwhispering
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Ive seen many finnish profiles that were just copies of another profile, inlcuding the covers. They usually are just the same release with a different UPC so many cant be bothered to scan new covers, or dont have a scanner. As otherwise they are identical.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAstrakan
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I see no reason what-so-ever to request the removal of a profile on those grounds.

What harm does it do to keep it?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorArdos
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I see no reason what-so-ever to request the removal of a profile on those grounds.

What harm does it do to keep it?


It's not always that it does harm, although they could possibly mess with CLT figures.

It can however, help users identify if a title in their collection is set to the wrong region for example.

I've recently seen two entries in my collection get changed in such a way as they're Canadian releases but set to US locality. A quick change fixed what could've taken me an age to find myself. I certainly appreciated the efforts of the contributors.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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It can however, help users identify if a title in their collection is set to the wrong region for example.

Yes, but we're not talking about a misidentified region or locality here.
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Quoting GSyren:
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Quoting Forget_the_Rest:
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It can however, help users identify if a title in their collection is set to the wrong region for example.

Yes, but we're not talking about a misidentified region or locality here.


Indeed, sorry. In your specific case, unless it can be shown to not be valid, it should be left in.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCharlieM
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I think we must be careful about asking.

I saw one that asked to be removed, because the scan was wrong (wrong locality).  The other information was correct.

I did a audit, and updated the information that needed it any way, created new scans and submitted the update.

I then PM'd the user and informed him.  He withdrew the request.  If I hadn't been aware, that title could have very easily been removed.

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Often a simple web search helps to find out if the movie exists with this EAN/UPC. Not perfect, but to get a first idea it's Ok.

But I agree with the others. A to fast remove request isn't very helpful.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
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I've got to agree with the others, I don't like the idea of removing profiles just because they're not updated and seem to be unused. I've only ever requested removals when a profile has been a bootleg or on the wrong locality, and in those cases I always make sure a profile on the correct locality exists.

If you're worried about these old profiles interfering with CLT results, why not just update the cast and crew so the data matches the film?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbigdaddyhorse
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Quoting VirusPil:
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Often a simple web search helps to find out if the movie exists with this EAN/UPC. Not perfect, but to get a first idea it's Ok.

But I agree with the others. A to fast remove request isn't very helpful.


Not always, I have a few discs so rare that if I wasn't holding them I wouldn't believe existed. I've looked for UPC's I have and found them to be re-assigned to newer stuff I don't have.

It should be some kind of combination if we remove something or not. First a glaring provable error has to be there, then send it up for vote to see if anyone has the title. To do this, encourage no neutral votes, even if it's just a wishlist title for some explain we need to validify the existence and if you don't chime in, your profle's going away. This should get enough response, then try it again 3 months later (in case owner[s] was on vacation or couldn't vote for some reason before), and if it continues to have no votes, it can be removed.
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