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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Contributors commonly credit "Paramount Home Entertainment" as a Media Company for DVDs displaying the text "www.paramount.com/homeentertainment" on the rear cover but that don't have the name "Paramount Home Entertainment" anywhere on the disc or packaging. So far so good. Some of these same contributors will then put "CBS DVD" as a Media Company even though CBS's own website says the products displaying the CBS DVD logo are produced by "CBS Home Entertainment". Should "CBS Home Entertainment" not be a Media Company just as "Paramount Home Entertainment" is? Why should the logo "www.paramount.com/homeentertainment" mean "Paramount Home Entertainment" if "CBS DVD" doesn't mean "CBS Home Entertainment"? Quote:
CBS Home Entertainment manages the worldwide DVD and Blu-ray businesses for the CBS Corporation across all lines of content including current hits and classic series from the vast CBS library, as well as new releases from Showtime Video. CBS Home Entertainment products are released on the CBS DVD and CBS Blu-ray labels. CBS--------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules allow us to enter the proper name which, as you pointed out, is CBS Home Entertainment. It does not, however, require us to do so. Were it me, I would vote 'no', indicating the proper name in my explanation. I would then make a note of the title and contribute the correction. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
The rules allow us to enter the proper name... It does not, however, require us to do so. But don't the Rules, in effect, require us to use the "proper name" if we're to enter anything at all? Quote:
Do not abbreviate Studio or Media Company names. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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The rules allow us to enter the proper name... It does not, however, require us to do so.
But don't the Rules, in effect, require us to use the "proper name" if we're to enter anything at all?
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Do not abbreviate Studio or Media Company names.
--------------- Not really, they just don't allow us to abbreviate them. CBS DVD is not an abbreviation as it is the name of the label. The problem with CBS DVD is that it isn't a MC. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I still don't know what a label IS, or how you decided it is one, but OK.   | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I still don't know what a label IS, or how you decided it is one, but OK. It is easy Maurice [skipnet50, jubal, prof kingsfield, dr pavlov], the page at CBS that scotthm pointed to in the first post and quoted for us states "CBS Home Entertainment products are released on the CBS DVD and CBS Blu-ray labels." If CBS states that CBS DVD is a label, who are we to say that they are not?  pdf edit: fixed typo | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA | | | | Last edited: by pdf256 |
| | Registered: June 8, 2007 | | Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | How can we make CBS Home Entertainment the MC if its not credited. CBS DVD or CBS Blu-ray is what is credited on the disc itself, case and in credits. So wouldn't Label be a smaller company under the parent. similar to record labels. |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darknite: Quote:
How can we make CBS Home Entertainment the MC if its not credited. The same way one can credit "Paramount Home Entertainment" as a Media Company when that name isn't found explicitly on the DVD or packaging. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darknite: Quote:
How can we make CBS Home Entertainment the MC if its not credited. CBS DVD or CBS Blu-ray is what is credited on the disc itself, case and in credits. So wouldn't Label be a smaller company under the parent. similar to record labels. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see, anywhere in the rules, a requirement that the MC name be credited on the disc itself. DVD labels are not the same as record labels. In DVD land, labels are more like a brand name. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darknite: Quote:
How can we make CBS Home Entertainment the MC if its not credited. CBS DVD or CBS Blu-ray is what is credited on the disc itself, case and in credits. So wouldn't Label be a smaller company under the parent. similar to record labels. I wouldn't worry about it, in the least, both Paramount and CBS are but arms the parent Viacom. Neither having precedence over the other. This is yet another reason why i think the whole duiiscussion over MC is an utterly worthless waste of time and energy. Sound and fury signifying...NOTHING. And let me add that we STILL don't have a satisfactory answer to the MC debate. Wjhich is why still REFUSE to make use of any such data, I KNOW who the Distributors are, this is other stuff so far is just crap that goes on in debate with no resolution. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: June 8, 2007 | | Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see, anywhere in the rules, a requirement that the MC name be credited on the disc itself.
DVD labels are not the same as record labels. In DVD land, labels are more like a brand name. So if, like you said the MC doesn't need a credit. than maybe I should use Warner Home Video or maybe Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment, They are not credited either. |
| | Registered: June 8, 2007 | | Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | Some companies (using similar but different names) may serve more than one function. List such companies only once, using the name from the logo. List secondary publishers even if the name is similar. If you are unsure of the function performed, do not list the company. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | <slaps self>This is the result of trying to craft ill-deifined data and resulting Rule. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darknite: Quote:
So if, like you said the MC doesn't need a credit. than maybe I should use Warner Home Video or maybe Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment, They are not credited either. You recently contributed "Paramount Home Entertainment" as a Media Company for four profiles. Here is a scan of the logos/urls/copyright notices on the rear cover and on the inner box rear cover for those profiles.  You will see references to CBS DVD, Paramount: A Viacom Company, CBS Paramount Network Television, Paramount, startrek.com, CBS Studios Inc., and Paramount Pictures, but not one to "Paramount Home Entertainment". Why did you add that as a Media Company to four profiles? Oh yes, because it's "inherited" from the "Parent" profile. Should you not have instead removed it from the parent, using your logic of not finding it on the product? In fact, the only Media Company we have positive evidence of here is "CBS Home Entertainment", because they have placed their "CBS DVD" logo on the packaging. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Don't ask me to make heads or tales out of that mess, especially based on the Rules. The only thing I can tell you for certain, is that CBS was NEVER a production company for Star Trek, but then this looks like one the Remastered sets, so....maybe they are.  Obviously the remastering was not underwritten by NBC. Great now I don't even know who the Production Company is, but valid points raised.  But like I said this what we get to p,lay with when data cannot be defined, but an attempt to write a Rule is undertaken. End result...big mess. The more I see and the more i think about this; the more I become convinced that this a VERY bad mistake. I see absolutely no way to resolve it. I am also increasingly convinced that the two MC fields should be moved to PC. It's supposed to be EASY gentlelmen, not bounce around all over the place trying to sort it out. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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