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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 85 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd love to see Cast, Crew and Studios being separated from the database, but linked to the appropriate fields. These three fields are the main sources for discrepancies, while in fact they should be identical per release (international and every subsequent re-release. The energy needed to search for and correct these fields (manually or by copying the fields from international releases you consider the best 'at the time) is constantly duplicated and therefore lost. This is a waste of time and leaves many mistakes in these fields. It would be an enormous improvement for the community if these fields could be kept in a separate database, and be identical for every release of the same title.
Can this be done?
Initial ideas:
1. Make a database of Cast, Crew and Studios based on the most volumuous fields in the database (final correction will be needed of course).
2. Include the option in DVD Profiler to link a dvd/blu-ray title to the corresponding movie title in the database for the inclusion of Cast, Crew and Studios.
Any ideas, thoughts, offical words? |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,918 |
| | Posted: | | | | But the fact is, they're not always identical per release. |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | We have discussed here a couple of times in the past year plus, a change to the database structure, making it film-centric (with variants allowed for different versions such as Directors' cuts, and for different credits for whatever reason). That would accomplish what you propose, with profiles linking to a film or films that are present in the release. I think it would be a much better system, but it would require a wholesale redesign of the database. | | | | Last edited: by CalebAndCo |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | As Doc, noted the FACT is that while your conclusion is reasonable Tom, it has been proven WRONG. Sometimes credit screens vary from Region to Region or even from release to another, the most famous being a film where an actor is credited in the original release as Dave Chapelle and credited in a subsequent Special Edition as David Chapelle.
So nice idea...but it don't fly.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Exceptions could be handled so that's not a problem.
If nothing else, credits should be identical for each unique disc ID.
But it's never going to happen... | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinoniki: Quote:
Exceptions could be handled so that's not a problem.
If nothing else, credits should be identical for each unique disc ID.
But it's never going to happen... We have that now. There are two separate Cast listings, at least, that I know of for the title i referred to. Two different UPCs and two different Disc IDs. The OP wants o do it based upon TITLE, which is not workable. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinoniki: Quote:
Exceptions could be handled so that's not a problem.
If nothing else, credits should be identical for each unique disc ID.
But it's never going to happen... We have that now. There are two separate Cast listings, at least, that I know of for the title i referred to. Two different UPCs and two different Disc IDs and TWO different sets of Cast data. The OP wants o do it based upon TITLE, which is not workable. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Of course it's workable, if you want it to be. You just make an exception for the profile you're submitting. Either it's intended for all profiles of the same title or just this profile (UPC or disc ID). There's nothing more to it. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
We have that now. There are two separate Cast listings, at least, that I know of for the title i referred to. Two different UPCs and two different Disc IDs. The OP wants o do it based upon TITLE, which is not workable.
Skip I agree with Kinoniki. This would be workable so long as there was agood way to establish exceptions and alternate cuts. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Like I said we aklready do that, without the extra step. Each UPC or Disc ID contains the same dataset. I have yet to see an instance where a Disc ID has multiple credit lists within the same ID. UPCs that have more than one Disc ID certainly represent a possible discrepnacy....I haven't looked at that (note to self). But one discID definitely would be the same dataset through out. So like i said we already do that.
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
, the most famous being a film where an actor is credited in the original release as Dave Chapelle and credited in a subsequent Special Edition as David Chapelle. The horror!  If that is the most famous case it doesn't seem like much of an issue to me  |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Like I said we aklready do that, without the extra step. Each UPC or Disc ID contains the same dataset. I have yet to see an instance where a Disc ID has multiple credit lists within the same ID. UPCs that have more than one Disc ID certainly represent a possible discrepnacy....I haven't looked at that (note to self). But one discID definitely would be the same dataset through out. So like i said we already do that.
Skip Were' talking about two different UPCs with the same disc ID. It happens all the time with security differences and such. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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, the most famous being a film where an actor is credited in the original release as Dave Chapelle and credited in a subsequent Special Edition as David Chapelle.
The horror!
If that is the most famous case it doesn't seem like much of an issue to me I agree. The value of the perfect credit pales in comparison to the cooperative work required to fix one name in all profiles for a single movie...which can be upwards of 100 contribution updates to achieve. | | | ...James
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quite true, Ace.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting lyonsden5:
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, the most famous being a film where an actor is credited in the original release as Dave Chapelle and credited in a subsequent Special Edition as David Chapelle.
The horror!
If that is the most famous case it doesn't seem like much of an issue to me
I agree. The value of the perfect credit pales in comparison to the cooperative work required to fix one name in all profiles for a single movie...which can be upwards of 100 contribution updates to achieve. You make an excellent point, James. To YOU it may not seem like a big deal, to me or others it may be. So that is yet another example of your particular preferencce or bias. But the Online does not just serve your needs, or the needs of the many, most or the majority, it serves ALL. remember that I am part of that collective you refer to and if it does not serve ALL then that makes you an elitist. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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, the most famous being a film where an actor is credited in the original release as Dave Chapelle and credited in a subsequent Special Edition as David Chapelle.
The horror!
If that is the most famous case it doesn't seem like much of an issue to me
I agree. The value of the perfect credit pales in comparison to the cooperative work required to fix one name in all profiles for a single movie...which can be upwards of 100 contribution updates to achieve.
You make an excellent point, James. To YOU it may not seem like a big deal, to me or others it may be. So that is yet another example of your particular preferencce or bias. But the Online does not just serve your needs, or the needs of the many, most or the majority, it serves ALL. remember that I am part of that collective you refer to and if it does not serve ALL then that makes you an elitist.
Skip Expressing an opinion for something different doesn't make anyone an elitist. The online will never be "for all" it will be the starting point for all, but that's it. Those in smaller regions with very few contributors would benefit greatly for the work done by those in larger regions with a system like this. If anything could be considered elitist it would be keeping the smaller regions from sharing the db creating by the larger ones. It would be a major program change I'm sure and I've yet to see anything from Ken hinting he may go this route. You never know though. |
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