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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | There are multiple contributions for the Walt Disney Treasures series that are removing the listings of what the disks contain. In some cases it is against the rules as any TV set can have a "simple list of episodes" per the rules, those are easy. However not all of these sets are "TV Sets" so one could argue the list of what's on the disk is against the rules and should be removed as the contributor is doing.
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | I was just informed via PM that the contributions do appear to be valid and per the rules, at least any of them that are not TV sets (so far all of those I have in my cue fall into this category. Is this where I start gripping about an un-usable database? (kidding) |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | OK - now the other voter are jumping in. Some say YES, some say NO. The no votes say the simple episode list is acceptable per the rules.
I've revised the thread title to see if I can get anyone to comment. As I understand it the rules stating the simple episode list applies to TV sets only. Since these sets are pretty much in a category by themselves can the episode list be added here? If so do the rules need to be addressed to cover it?
What about other shorts, like the serial collections from the 40s. Those were not TV shows either but the ones I have show the episode listings (see #1191 and 1094 in my collection for examples). If the submitted change is correct then those too need to be changed.
Personally I would like to see the episode lists stay, but technically they are against the rules as I understand them. |
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Registered: October 6, 2008 | Posts: 1,932 |
| Posted: | | | | I think a list is appropriate for a collection of short films. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I tried to see what you were talking about, but your collection is private. Could you give me a UPC or two so that I can give an educated opinion? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | Two examples 786936-158236 Disneyland USA (TV episodes) 786936-224788 Mickey Mouse in Living Color Volume Two (Collection of cartoon shorts made for the big screen) | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity | | | Last edited: by reybr |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: I tried to see what you were talking about, but your collection is private. Could you give me a UPC or two so that I can give an educated opinion? Sorry. Corrected. Set it for private in my last tantrum I guess |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,321 |
| Posted: | | | | I saw these this morning and am conflicted myself. I'd love to see the contributions voted down or withdrawn. I think these collections of shorts are certainly well within the spirit of the rule that allows for this type of data to be listed out. Yet as you say, they're technically not TV sets and the way I read the rules, they're technically not permitted to list the contents. Still, I think this is one of those situations where the rules "dictate" that we make data less usable for no better reason than that's what the rules say to do. I'll even play a Skip card here and say that it probably wasn't the intention of the rules writers to specifically exclude collections like this. It's just an oversight. I don't think I can vote No based on the rules. I really don't want to vote yes, because I think the change violates the spirit of the rules and in my belief this is just an ugly loophole. I may just have to vote Neutral and lock mine if they are approved. In an ideal world, the rules would just be modified by Ken/Geri and this mess would go away. But that's not how things work here. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | This is one of those areas where the change is technically correct, but why bother? Much like possessives, this is something I probably wouldn't correct...but I would have to vote 'yes' to the change as it is per the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: This is one of those areas where the change is technically correct, but why bother? Much like possessives, this is something I probably wouldn't correct...but I would have to vote 'yes' to the change as it is per the rules. I agree with your "why bother" statement. There are plenty of things in the online database that need to be corrected -- without touching these "borderline" issues. Other than enforcing a rule purely for the sake of enforcing it, I don't see what value is added to the database by removing the list of the discs' contents. In addition to the rules regarding TV profiles, we have a rule for concert/music videos which says: Quote: For Concert / Music Videos you may include a listing of Song titles and length, if available. If we're allowed to include a listing of songs for a music/concert video, what is so wrong with including a list of titles for a collection of cartoons or short film collections? | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, I'd certainly keep the listing locally. If it were up to me, I'd say it would be useful if it was in the online database as well. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,321 |
| Posted: | | | | It looks like they're getting a lot of No votes. I still can't justify voting No on them, so I've not voted yet. But I don't see anyone supporting the removal of this data. Seems like the rules should be amended for this scenario. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote: It looks like they're getting a lot of No votes. I still can't justify voting No on them, so I've not voted yet. But I don't see anyone supporting the removal of this data. Seems like the rules should be amended for this scenario. Just checked too and saw the same thing. Like it or not it is following the rules. The NO votes quoting the rules are plain wrong. Guess I'll vote yes with an explanation. Wouldn't be the first time I voted for or against something because the rules tell me to, even if I don't agree with it. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | IF anything should get changed at all it should be the front scan of this limited edition series ., I don't really fancy to see that Rick's edition of Mickey Mouse in Living Color is #018776 of 150,000. Amazon has the right idea ,their cover art shows 1 of 150,000 . Seriously though this set of Walt Disney should be allowed to have the listings of each episode shown as it makes the Overview more interesting to see what exactly these sets contains without having to go the Internet all the time,- again and again.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | I started a poll in the contribution rules committee forum to discuss this. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,321 |
| Posted: | | | | I still can't bring myself to vote yes. I don't want to support an unnecessary change simply for the sake of following the rules. I simply don't understand the reasoning with removing good and useful data in this case. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
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