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Voting question on overviews |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,022 |
| Posted: | | | | Question for all, I am a little bit confused as I seem to be under a bit of attack for some no votes I've cast. This was left in contribution notes for me after I had to vote no on a 2nd occasion on same contribution; "Overview edited for italics Thank you, richie, but it is time for you to stop casting NO votes which are in violation of the Rules, PATIAL Contributions are ALLOWED per Ken and Gerri, a PM requesting additional modification beyond what I said in my notes is appropriate, NO votes are NOT!!!!!! But Thank you."
In the last few weeks I have found myself continually having to vote no on 1 users contributions for overviews, legitimately in my opinion as I find many mistakes. My no vote is accompanied by details of the error, up to a point as you can only fit in so many in the space allowed. The contributors claim is that if he is only changing italics in an overview, it is a partial contribution and thus my no vote is illegal. He may be right? My thoughts were if you were going to the trouble of changing italics/bold, then a quick check over the text to ensure it matches back cover was not a lot to ask?
I'm sure submitter feels this is a personal vendetta, but I vote as I see regardless of contributor, and it is a coincidence I have found over 80% of errors in this particular users latest submissions.
I'll go with the voting majority as this is not a big deal for me.
Rich | | | |
| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | Hey there,
I am also changing overviews alot to match the 3.5 rules, and I am always happy if someone sees a mistake and points it out, then i resubmit and all is fine.
I dunno why that guy is so offended :O
cheers Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | If it is a minor mistake and the contribution is otherwise useful, then I tend to point out the mistake and vote yes. But if the contribution is just about the overview, and it has mistakes, then I think a no vote is in order. I am not convinced contributors read the comments if they get just yes votes. Sometimes it gets accepted with the error, and then another update is needed. | | | Hans |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote: I am also changing overviews alot to match the 3.5 rules, and I am always happy if someone sees a mistake and points it out, then i resubmit and all is fine. Yepp, this is how it should be. Some people are taking "No"-votes far to personal. Even though technically the contributor is correct, if he only changed the formatting of the overview and did this correctly, there's no need for a "No". But the hint on some other errors in the overview that could have been corrected too, is definitely no reason to be offended, but to correct the other errors. Possibly the best way to achieve this is a friendly PM. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| | Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | I would probably vote yes with an extra note for the the mistakes. I will correct the mistakes myself when the contributor hasn't change the mistakes. When the contributor contributes mistakes that weren't there already, than I would vote NO of course! | | | Cor |
| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | I've done a lot of formatting changes myself, and I'm always happy when someone points out that there was a typo that I missed in there. I took it personally when I started contributing, but realized quickly that the voter is just trying to help the database overall and and thinks that with a 'no' vote I'll check the reason to find out why. And that's right. Maybe I wouldn't look at the 'yes' votes, but I definitely look at the reasons when I see a 'no' vote. I've come to look at it like flagging the profile to say that something's wrong, take another look. For something like that, it's just really easy to withdraw, correct, and resubmit a couple of minutes later. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 171 |
| Posted: | | | | I think it's cutting the definition of a partial contribution a bit thin to only look at italics on an overview and not the content. I have to believe the if you are reviewing it for formatting, the actual words will probably be there too.
I see this like fixing the capitalization of a word, but not the spelling... just seems too connected to be done separately.
Whether this is an illegal vote can only be decided by Ken, but I would consider it a valid No vote. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,022 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote: I would probably vote yes with an extra note for the the mistakes. I will correct the mistakes myself when the contributor hasn't change the mistakes. When the contributor contributes mistakes that weren't there already, than I would vote NO of course! This is possible, I can leave comments with a yes vote. I assumed most contributors do not check back on a yes vote though? I will consider this. On the last point to be clear, the contributor is not adding mistakes, they are in the database already. I was voting no as I spotted the mistakes in a new submission fixing italics and bold in the overview. RR | | | |
| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | I tend to only vote no if the submission introduces new errors. I'll vote yes with comments if it doesn't fix existing ones. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Richie:
Partial contributions are Ok with ken and Gerri and the Rules. Voting No is an abuse of voting. You should PM the user and ask. Speaking for myswelf, I am always willing to fix errors, but I am not willing to bend over for someone who simply wqants to abuse his voting privileges. A PM request is appropriate a NO vote is NOT, PERIOD. Deal with what the user calls for inhis notes, and PM him if you want modifications for other than what the user says he did in his notes.
BTW Richie I have to inquire as to what your agenda is. Since you freely vote No but when the user fixes then problem you almost NEVER return to vote yes. Which frankly makes it look like you have and agenda or a vendetta. Which is it?
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,022 |
| Posted: | | | | Just because ken and gerri say it is OK to do something, that does not necessarily mean we SHOULD do it | | | |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Richie:
There iis a proper procedure and abusing your voting privileges is UNACCEPTABLE. As nother user noted the isssues are also usually carryovers. Now if you can't be bothered to to PM the user then you should not vote at all, since you don't vote Yes, when the problem is fixed anyway. Then fix the problems yourself and keep your personal vendettas or agendas out of it.
All it takes is a PM.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,022 |
| Posted: | | | | I am not interested in a flaming war over the internet, I always find electronic insults rather pathetic and a waste of time. There is no 'vendetta or agenda'. Every single one of my no votes have been because submissions have had errors in them - that is a fact. Put simply the votes (so far) concur with my initial thoughts, that if a user is duplicating mistakes in an overview in a new submission, I should vote no and point out the mistakes. Of course there is no obligation to fix the continual errors, it is just a no vote, and I will not insist the contributor fixes them. If I am 'abusing my voting priveleges' then I am sure Ken or Gerri will contact me accordingly, and I would listen to them as they are the only 2 legitimate voices of Invelos. | | | | | | Last edited: by hayley taylor |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Fact or not, richie, you are abusing your voting rights. The notes deal with specific changes (partial Contributions) if you want to deal with other changes then you should PM the user. You can claim that you have no agenda or vendetta, but your behavior speaks otherwise as noted. Now if you PM the user with your request I am sure he will gladly accommodate you, but of ryou to abuse your voting privileges to demand changes which are OTHER than what the user spelled out in his notes is simply unacceptable.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,635 |
| Posted: | | | | I am obsessive about spelling errors. If I make one, I'd like it pointed out to me, as firmly as possible. Repeating a spelling error while you add correct italics is like rubbing a sore shoulder without removing the bullet lodged within it. Overviews were correct without the italics at one time, but this one was already in the database incorrectly due to spelling errors. If you wish to fix the italics, I believe it is not an abuse of the no vote to call the submitter on repeating the spelling error. It needs fixing -- why correct italics on a bad overview?
If you are sooooooo touchy about your submissions that a PM is the only way (without offending you) to correct errors, then perhaps you are too thin skinned to be putting your ideas up for a vote. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff | | | Last edited: by VibroCount |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Fact or not, richie, you are abusing your voting rights. The notes deal with specific changes (partial Contributions) if you want to deal with other changes then you should PM the user. You can claim that you have no agenda or vendetta, but your behavior speaks otherwise as noted. Now if you PM the user with your request I am sure he will gladly accommodate you, but of ryou to abuse your voting privileges to demand changes which are OTHER than what the user spelled out in his notes is simply unacceptable.
I also suspect that the user will continue to point your abuse out to the screeners. It sounds to me like you are not willing to accept that just perhaps, in view of the fact that once something has been fixed you hardly ever return to vote yes, that the user is insulted by your behavior. A simple solution has been pointed out and suggested. You claim to not to not have an agenda or vendetta but unfortunately, richie, your behavior screams otherwise. A suggestion has been made that will probably get you what you want, but abusing of your voting rights is not going to do it.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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