I'm working on the profile for Quantum of Solace and was wondering if Ian Fleming should be included in the writing section for "Original Characters By" even though he is not credited. In the beginning they do say Daniel Craig as Ian Fleming's James Bond, so not sure if that counts or not.

I looked at a few other Bond titles, some have OCB others do not (even between the 3 copies of Die Another Day I have -- original DVD, SE DVD and BD).

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If he has an On Screen credit, yes, if not then No. Typically the last few years, i think, you will find Ian's credit somewhere in the end credits, I think it is usually close to the end of the credit crawl. BUT I also don't think he is ALWAYS credited, don't ask me to explain why this might be true.

Hollywood...gotta love it

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Quantum of Solace is not a Hollywood production, but you knew that.

Well, you actually dont need the disc, it's the same format as all the Bond movies (ie Pierce Brosnan as Ian Fleming's James Bond or Roger Moore as Ian Fleming's James Bond, etc).

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Still need to check out the entire end credits (I've just gone through the cast, what a pain in the rear, lol) so I'll report back to see if his credit is there.


Edit: Well, I checked and nothing in the end credits except the usual "James Bond Will Return"...

Here is the screen cap. Personally, I do believe he should be credited since it his character (actually characters since Felix Leiter is also in it), but if it's not allowed, I'll just keep it local.
http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=qostdm.jpg

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I would say the possessive credit is enough for an OCB credit.

I would agree with that.

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I would say the possessive credit is enough for an OCB credit.

I would agree with that.

I don't want to give away my feelings on this. But I DO want to play devil's advocate, if possessives must be removed from titles  when they appear on the front cover, then exactly why would it be acceptable as a CREDIT in any other forum. Is that not an incongruity, it ceratinly seem so to me. I seem to recall having this exact same discussion when Keneth Brannagh made William Shakespear's Hamlet. I felt that since this was the only evidence of William Shakespeare's writing relative to this film, in fact our friend north joined in chorus and the votes on this title as I recall to NOT permit the inclusion of any kind of writing for Mr. Shakespeare.<shrugs> Like I said it seems like a major incongruity in logic. If William Shakespeare gets no writing credit for Hamlet then Fleming gets no credit for Bond, absent an actual credit. Not my doing....the Community's.

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Quoting northbloke:

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I would say the possessive credit is enough for an OCB credit.

I would agree with that.

I don't want to give away my feelings on this. But I DO want to play devil's advocate, if possessives must be removed from titles  when they appear on the front cover, then exactly why would it be acceptable as a CREDIT in any other forum. Is that not an incongruity, it ceratinly seem so to me. I seem to recall having this exact same discussion when Keneth Brannagh made William Shakespear's Hamlet. I felt that since this was the only evidence of William Shakespeare's writing relative to this film, in fact our friend north joined in chorus and the votes on this title as I recall to NOT permit the inclusion of any kind of writing for Mr. Shakespeare.<shrugs> Like I said it seems like a major incongruity in logic. If William Shakespeare gets no writing credit for Hamlet then Fleming gets no credit for Bond, absent an actual credit. Not my doing....the Community's.

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You should maybe check the old threads before posting. In fact it was you who argued against giving Shakespeare an OMB credit. Everyone else, me included, agreed it was a valid credit. Read it here.

Quoting Dr Pavlov:

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I still see a disconnect, north. On the one hand user's wanted to completely disallow possessive credits that are legitimately a part of the front cover, OTOH they want to be able to call them something that they aren't. Seems to me like interpretation of convenience.

Yes, they're two separate issues. "Does it qualify as part of the title?" on one hand, and "Does it qualify for an OCB or OMB credit?" on the other. The rules already offer some guidance on whether to include the possessive as part of the title, but IMHO that question, nor the decision on that matter, eliminates the second question. As for 'Quantum of Solace', I think we all agree that Ian Fleming did create the characters. Sure, a separate on-screen OCB credit would have come in handy to remove any confusion, but like the 'Hamlet' example, this is so obvious that if "Ian Fleming's James Bond" is all we get, I'll gladly take it and award it with an OCB credit.

So yes, I don't consider "Ian Fleming's James Bond" to be part of the title, but I am willing to turn it into an OCB credit for Mr. Fleming. Is that an "interpretation of convenience"? Not sure. I does feel entirely correct, though - on both counts.

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I know "Tosco Cast" gets a divider and probably "Quantum Members" as well, but do I list "Quantum Member" next to each cast name?

I would only use a divider for the "Tosca Cast". Look at Unicus69's explanation here. The 'Quantum Members' doesn't warrant a divider - it's merely a shared role name (which you would indeed just enter for all of them, without divider).