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| Registered: June 8, 2007 |  Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | Uncredited cast that is undocumented or Added to a new profile from another profile.
New Profiles for Pre-released Profiles, How do the cast and crew get approved if they are not from its actual films credits. Should we be able to copy from one profile to another or should all info come from each disc in hand.
Should this info be removed.
Here is a forum about something similiar, http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=158718&PageNum=5 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I understood it, you would need documentation to remove uncredited cast.
On the other hand, if you create a new profile and copy the cast and crew of an existing profile that contains uncredited cast, you need to document the uncredited cast. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
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| Registered: June 8, 2007 | | Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | but what if there is not documentation just
New entry.
Preliminary info from...
http://www.dvdempire.com/Exec/v4_item.asp?userid=99366345370018&item_id=1431407&searchID=
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Fox/Disc_Announcements/Boondock_Saints_Headed_to_Blu-ray/2160
Copied cast and Crew from previously accepted DVD profile
This from for The Boondock Saints BLU-Ray 024543-538028 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | NEVER simply copy from one Profile and that's it. Old (uncredited) was grandfathered in because Ken did not want to just summarily remove it, that does NOT mean it has been verified and is correct. It is undocumented and should NEVER be JUST included and such undocumented data in "new" profiles should be REMOVED, aceptance of undocumented does not make it correct nor does it make it a sacred cow, like some believe. Undocumented data of any kind should NEVER EVER be accepted. If it has been documented and error is discovered then, of course you should document the error. But undocumented data is by definition ERRONEOUS data.
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| Registered: June 8, 2007 | | Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am trying to update and correct this profile The Boondock Saints BLU-Ray 024543-538028
so how should I document it so the undocument and Uncredited cast be removed from this profile
and also the no vote I already have
"No justification for removal of uncredited. Removal of Uncredited must be justified and documented as a carbon copy of 3rd Party source." | | | | Last edited: by Darknite |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Really, I don't see any easy way to remove them. I've checked the uncredited against the most likely source & there are enough differences (in my opinion) to make them distinct enough.
I doubt that you'll want to, but you could go through every copy of Boondock Saints in the database (35 excluding this one) & see if you can find a reference to the uncredited cast in those. If it lists the source or provides info to support their being there, that could help. | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Given that this was released just yesterday... If there is no documentation for the Uncredited in the contribution notes for the Blu-ray or no reference to a specific prior profile that documents the Uncredited they should be removed. They should not be propagated without documentation. State it as clearly as possible in your notes...perhaps move it to the top of the notes so the screeners can't miss it. Don't sweat the no votes.  | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Removing Uncredited cast from an existing profile requires that their removal not only be justified but documented as well. The Uncredited cast in the profile in question does not match IMDb or other 3rd Party sources. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Removing Uncredited cast from an existing profile requires that their removal not only be justified but documented as well. The Uncredited cast in the profile in question does not match IMDb or other 3rd Party sources. And with all due respect, 8Ball, I disagree. The data is NOT undocumented in any form other than copying another Profile, so whar was used a dartboard. I do not view any undocumented as any form of sacred cow. if it is not documented then it has to come out. If someone then wants to verify the data properly to replace it, GREAT. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've had a quick look and found a couple of references to the director (Troy Duffy) and his brother Taylor having cameos in the bar scene so I would leave those two.
However, I found no multiple reliable sources that could confirm that any of the others appear in the film, so would agree to their removal especially as they were added before the disc was even released.
I have no objections to people copy & pasting normal cast & crew from other profiles, as long as they confirm it's been checked, but I believe uncredited should not be included in that copy & paste unless you include the documentation too. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | A user has just uploaded a change to Tony Rome (UPC 024543-131182) wherein he/she removed the uncredited cast. All the notes say is Quote:
Cast: Removed undocumented Cast (2005 release) and removed Elisabeth Fraser as Irma since she is credited twice. Also re-ordered Cast to match end credits. This isn't justification to remove uncredited cast, IMHO, since the release date of the DVD (5/24/2005) indicated that the title was one of those grandfathered in from the old Intervocative site. I don't think the uncredited cast should be deleted for this title -- since it isn't a "new" one. I remember one of those listed (Tiffany Bolling) having been in the film, and while I cannot vouch for all the others, some of them would not be out of place as cameos in a Frank Sinatra film (e.g., Jilly Rizzo and Joe E. Ross). Still, this profile has been around long enough that removing the uncredited cast isn't justified. Removing Elisabeth Fraser IS justified since she is shown twice (unless she actually IS credited twice, and I don't have ready access to my copy of Tony Rome to examine the credits to rule that posibility in or out). | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | I honestly think the removal process for undocumented cast is seriously flawed. It is next to impossible to provide absolute documentation that they don't appear, however if they are valid it is easier to provide documentation that they do appear (a screen shot if no other source available). Otherwise I feel they should removed.
If someone knows they are in the film they can either pass that information on to the contributor who can amend their contribution or simply add the ones that documentation can be supplied for back in once its accepted. This will ultimately cause all uncredited cast to be documented.
Yes, basically this would mean ungrandfathering the existing profiles, but if thats not done then we will continue to have undocumented uncrediteds in the database that will propagate to new releases. There should also be a rule added (as mentioned) that if copying from another profile undocumented be excluded unless proper documentation is provided in the contribution notes. If its valid in the other profile than all they need to do is copy the text from the notes of the profile they are copying and past it into their notes.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
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Removing Uncredited cast from an existing profile requires that their removal not only be justified but documented as well. The Uncredited cast in the profile in question does not match IMDb or other 3rd Party sources.
And with all due respect, 8Ball, I disagree. The data is NOT undocumented in any form other than copying another Profile, so whar was used a dartboard. I do not view any undocumented as any form of sacred cow. if it is not documented then it has to come out. If someone then wants to verify the data properly to replace it, GREAT.
Skip Don't know and don't care. The profile was approved by Invelos employees and therefore documentation for removal is required. I'm sick and tired of this double standard BS. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
Yes, basically this would mean ungrandfathering the existing profiles, but if thats not done then we will continue to have undocumented uncrediteds in the database that will propagate to new releases. Not if the rules were amended to include wording you support: Quote:
There should also be a rule added (as mentioned) that if copying from another profile undocumented be excluded unless proper documentation is provided in the contribution notes. If its valid in the other profile than all they need to do is copy the text from the notes of the profile they are copying and past it into their notes. If a contributor strips the uncredited/undocumented cast from the new profile, there will not be any propagation of the bad data. What I'm against isn't keeping undocumented uncredited cast out of NEW profiles, I'm against stripping them from the existing profiles that were accepted long ago by Invelos. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Quoting Agrare:
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Yes, basically this would mean ungrandfathering the existing profiles, but if thats not done then we will continue to have undocumented uncrediteds in the database that will propagate to new releases.
Not if the rules were amended to include wording you support:
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There should also be a rule added (as mentioned) that if copying from another profile undocumented be excluded unless proper documentation is provided in the contribution notes. If its valid in the other profile than all they need to do is copy the text from the notes of the profile they are copying and past it into their notes.
If a contributor strips the uncredited/undocumented cast from the new profile, there will not be any propagation of the bad data. What I'm against isn't keeping undocumented uncredited cast out of NEW profiles, I'm against stripping them from the existing profiles that were accepted long ago by Invelos. Ironically, I'm all for stripping them out of profiles accepted long ago. That's the very crap that's polluting the online. Reams and reams of undocumented junk dumped in 2001 before there was even a basic standard. Now it's holy writ.  |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
But undocumented data is by definition ERRONEOUS data.
Skip I disagree. | | | | Last edited: by sugarjoe |
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