Quoting CubbyUps:

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OK, running into a problem here in regards to the visual effects credits for the first Jurassic Park film.
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Full Motion Dinosaurs by Dennis Muren
Live Action Dinosaurs by Stan Winston
Dinosaur Supervisor Phil Tippet
Special Dinosaur Effects Michael Lantieri
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The first 4 won an Academy Award for their Visual Effects work on this film.
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Would you contribute those first 4 Visual Effects people or only the lesser known 13 "Special Effects" people.

I think that if you can document the bolded row, you can also credit that people with Visual Effect.

Quoting CubbyUps:

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Live Action Dinosaurs by Stan Winston

I'm curious to know where Stan Winston got live dinosaurs for the Live Action shots .

My question is: how far away from the defined credits are we to go?

No denying that if anyone deserves to be credited for Visual Effects for Jurassic Park they are among the four listed here.  But were I profiling JP i'd have sighed and shaken my head but not included these four because the credits weren't even close to those defined.  I can be flexible but this would have pushed it for me.  Nor would i have included subordinates with valid credits ("Special Effects") because that would just be silly without the important creative guys.

And without a Rule change Oscar nominations or wins shouldn't mean automatic inclusion.  I profiled a film a couple months back that won an Oscar for Visual Effects.  The four winners included to Visual Effects Supervisors and a couple other guys that seemed randomly selected from among the rest of the credits (one was some sort of camera operator IIRC).  I included the ones that matched our credits and left out the others.

Not sure how i'd vote.

Quoting 8ballMax:

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Quoting CubbyUps:

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Live Action Dinosaurs by Stan Winston

I'm curious to know where Stan Winston got live dinosaurs for the Live Action shots .

I would say here comes puppeteer-blasksmith-action 
btw.  

I'm starting to think that they used Full Motion & Live Action to denote the way the dinos appear on screen.


Full Motion = When you see the complete body of the dino in full motion, ie CGI.

Live Action = When you only see a portion of the dino, usually in closeups. ie large scale puppets/animatronics.


On a side note. With the increasing cast/crew data the program is going further and further away from just a dvd database. To be honest if all we cared about was the dvd then cast/crew wouldn't have ever been added.
Like it or not we basically have a movie database now. And as such we really need to start to understand all the variations of specific job titles to fully and accurately do the profiles in the first place,

(Sorry for the rant).

I know that they won an Academy Award for their Visual Effects work, but this credit isn't for 'visual effects', it is for a specific job...creating the dinosaurs.  To me, at least for Dennis Muren and Stan Winston, that screams 'Creature Designer'.

Quoting CubbyUps:

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Still doesn't negate the fact that as a community we can't fully agree on what is or isn't allowed to be profiled.
And if we are to fully and accurately do the profiles in the first place then we must understand all of the variations of specific job titles even if they aren't exactly listed in the rules.

Nice sentiment, but it will never happen...and shouldn't.  If people are required to know everything about every crew job, they simply won't bother contributing.  The easiest method is to enter the credits that are a match, or a fairly close match, to the credits in the chart.

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On a related note I think it's rather absurd to think that "we" know more about specific crew members than the Academy Awards do.

Who said we know more about specific crew members than the Academy does?  Not that it matters as we don't enter credits based on Academy criteria.  We enter credits based on how they are listed in the end credits.  Again, if we have to know exactly what they did before we can enter them, very few people will enter crew credits.

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But hey, if that's what you guys want, incomplete data. Then fine by me.

We already have people who only contribute small amounts of data.  The vast majority of updates I see these days are for 'Rating Details', 'Media Companies' and 'Overview formatting'.

It is a breath of fresh air when I see a profile that includes cast and crew changes.  To further complicate the entry of crew, which is what it seems like you want to do, will further pollute that breath.

Quoting CubbyUps:

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I'm starting to think that they used Full Motion & Live Action to denote the way the dinos appear on screen.


Full Motion = When you see the complete body of the dino in full motion, ie CGI.

Live Action = When you only see a portion of the dino, usually in closeups. ie large scale puppets/animatronics.

If you watch some of the 'making of' specials, you will find that that is exactly what they did...which is why I would give Stan a Creature Designer credit.  He designed those creatures.