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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi, it's about the german DVD of "Lola rennt". Contribution Notes. The contributer states that the "FSK-16" rating was a misprint and it's actually a "FSK-12" DVD. Wikipedia is the source for this. My question is: Even if this is in fact true, is it allowed for Profiler purposes? I voted no, but I am not entirely sure, thus this topic. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | I normally would say to take the rating from the DVD. Alas, in Germany the rating seal is rarely printed onto the disc itself, so the next best source is the cover. I would not go by the movie's data, as it is possible for the movie to be rated lower than the DVD, the higher rating for the DVD as a whole deriving from the individual ratings for trailer content (as for example the German rental edition of "Man on Fire", movie rating 16, DVD rating 18 due to the inclusion of the (only) trailer for Wonderland - go figure turning a DVD over to the adult section in the rental stores because of an ad). According to the ofdb entry Lola rennt this is also true for this "Lola rennt" DVD release. the releases of this title by media company e-m-s bear the FSK 12 seal, because they contain a different set of trailers for other feature films. | | | | Lutz | | | | Last edited: by Darxon |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would have to vote no since the rules clearly says the rating comes from the cover. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | When there are wrong informations on the cover, I never take them in account. We are allowed to put the exact aspect ratio if the information on the cover is wrong, why take a wrong rating ? dvdprofiler is more in the spirit of movieprofiler than errorsprofiler... | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Although I personally agree with surfeur on this, the rules do not (currently) allow for it. However, I might be tempted to amend it with a link to the official ratings page if available. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would have to agree with surfeur on this one. We even note in the Rules that Covers are oft times incorrect and to take the data from the disc whenever possible. This is an inconsistency Ken needs to correct, but I would support using the ACTUAL film rating if explained in the notes. Note I said film rating, not rating from some other source.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have made this enquiry before for a UK disc which had the wrong rating on the cover and on the disc (confirmed by the BBFC which decides on the ratings) and was 'advised' to use the rating on the cover/disc rather than the correct one.
FWIW 1
The mess up was because the higher rated material (which was an extra; yes, in the UK ALL content is rated) was put on a differnt disc than was originally expected.
FWIW2
The only reason the release wasn't recalled was that it was 3 TV serials in one case and the CASE (and thus who could buy it) was marked correctly, it was just that two of the serials inside were marked up the wrong way around. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I understood Darxon correctly, it wasn't a misprint at all. It's just that the movie was rated FSK-12 but the entire DVD is FSK-16 because of a trailer.
I believe it's the same with the german LOTR FOTR SEE where the movie itself is FSK-12, but a hidden bonus feature (an "alternate" version of Elrond's council) caused an FSK-16 for the DVD. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
I would have to agree with surfeur on this one. We even note in the Rules that Covers are oft times incorrect and to take the data from the disc whenever possible. This is an inconsistency Ken needs to correct, but I would support using the ACTUAL film rating if explained in the notes. Note I said film rating, not rating from some other source.
Skip But that is the thing... the info isn't coming from anywhere on the disc... but from wikipedia. Which (to me at least) is no different then IMDB. It is a place where anyone can edit the information... with who knows what kind of reasoning for anything they submit. | | | | Pete |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
If I understood Darxon correctly, it wasn't a misprint at all. It's just that the movie was rated FSK-12 but the entire DVD is FSK-16 because of a trailer.
I believe it's the same with the german LOTR 1 SEE where the movie itself is FSK-12, but a hidden bonus feature (an "alternate" version of Elrond's council) caused an FSK-16 for the DVD. Which in such a case we should be taking the DVD Rating not the movie rating for the profile. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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I would have to agree with surfeur on this one. We even note in the Rules that Covers are oft times incorrect and to take the data from the disc whenever possible. This is an inconsistency Ken needs to correct, but I would support using the ACTUAL film rating if explained in the notes. Note I said film rating, not rating from some other source.
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But that is the thing... the info isn't coming from anywhere on the disc... but from wikipedia. Which (to me at least) is no different then IMDB. It is a place where anyone can edit the information... with who knows what kind of reasoning for anything they submit. I think Skip was basically saying what I said. If the change is supported by the official ratings site like bbfc.co.uk for UK films then it would be in our opinions, correct to change it. As it currently stands, no it should be rejected. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes I can agree with that... in my opinion it should be rejected for 2 reasons in this case . As we now know it was never a misprint. So it should be rejected because...
1. Using a bad source
2. It is not a misprint.. but that they rate the DVD not the film. So all content is considered... extras and feature.
In such cases we should be tracking the DVD Rating for the profile. All other info in the profile is based on the DVD itself... as should the rating of the DVD. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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I would have to agree with surfeur on this one. We even note in the Rules that Covers are oft times incorrect and to take the data from the disc whenever possible. This is an inconsistency Ken needs to correct, but I would support using the ACTUAL film rating if explained in the notes. Note I said film rating, not rating from some other source.
Skip
But that is the thing... the info isn't coming from anywhere on the disc... but from wikipedia. Which (to me at least) is no different then IMDB. It is a place where anyone can edit the information... with who knows what kind of reasoning for anything they submit. On that you know I agree, Pete.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
2. It is not a misprint.. but that they rate the DVD not the film. So all content is considered... extras and feature.
Sorry I missed that they work the same way as the BBFC here & any extra material is also counted in the rating. In that case yes it should be rejected if the trailer on the DVD has a higher rating than the film. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | No reason to be sorry... at first even Karsten (OP) said it was a misprint... as that is what the contributor put in their notes. | | | | Pete |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
When there are wrong informations on the cover, I never take them in account. We are allowed to put the exact aspect ratio if the information on the cover is wrong, why take a wrong rating ? dvdprofiler is more in the spirit of movieprofiler than errorsprofiler... We are allowed to put exact aspect ratio because the rules say we can: "Use the Video specified on the DVD Cover unless you can verify there is a discrepancy between that and the actual Video included on the disc." That same exception exists for Regions and Running Times. No such exception exists for Film Rating. The film rating rule reads, "Use the Rating shown on the DVD cover". That's it, no exception. No wiggle room. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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