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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | How would you contribute these credits?  | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: April 4, 2007 |  Posts: 879 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm always struggling with these too (there are a lot of these "3-layer-screenplays"). Epstein and Coffee are Screenwriters. Hurst is Original Material. I can't make up my mind about O'Brien :/ | | | | - Jan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Strictly according to the rules none of these gets a credit. While "Screenplay" is listed in the rules "Screen Play by" is not. If functional equivalents and spelling variants would be allowed, I would enter "Screen Play by" of course as "Screenwriter". "From a story by" in this context means "adapted from a story by" and this would get an "Original Material" credit. "Adaptation by" is more tricky. It somehow suggests a "Screenwriter" credit because the screen play is usually the result of the adaptation. But since there is a explicit "Screen Play" credit, I would give it another "Original Material" credit.
But unfortunately spelling variants and functional equivalents are not allowed. |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Strictly according to the rules none of these gets a credit. While "Screenplay" is listed in the rules "Screen Play by" is not. If functional equivalents and spelling variants would be allowed, I would enter "Screen Play by" of course as "Screenwriter". "From a story by" in this context means "adapted from a story by" and this would get an "Original Material" credit. "Adaptation by" is more tricky. It somehow suggests a "Screenwriter" credit because the screen play is usually the result of the adaptation. But since there is a explicit "Screen Play" credit, I would give it another "Original Material" credit.
But unfortunately spelling variants and functional equivalents are not allowed. In the same credits there is a "Special Effects by". Are you saying you wouldn't contribute that because there is a "by"? | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Strictly according to the rules none of these gets a credit. While "Screenplay" is listed in the rules "Screen Play by" is not. If functional equivalents and spelling variants would be allowed, I would enter "Screen Play by" of course as "Screenwriter". "From a story by" in this context means "adapted from a story by" and this would get an "Original Material" credit. "Adaptation by" is more tricky. It somehow suggests a "Screenwriter" credit because the screen play is usually the result of the adaptation. But since there is a explicit "Screen Play" credit, I would give it another "Original Material" credit.
But unfortunately spelling variants and functional equivalents are not allowed. This is getting real old, real fast. Pleas take your crusade to the Rules Committee Forum and leave it there. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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Strictly according to the rules none of these gets a credit. While "Screenplay" is listed in the rules "Screen Play by" is not. If functional equivalents and spelling variants would be allowed, I would enter "Screen Play by" of course as "Screenwriter". "From a story by" in this context means "adapted from a story by" and this would get an "Original Material" credit. "Adaptation by" is more tricky. It somehow suggests a "Screenwriter" credit because the screen play is usually the result of the adaptation. But since there is a explicit "Screen Play" credit, I would give it another "Original Material" credit.
But unfortunately spelling variants and functional equivalents are not allowed.
In the same credits there is a "Special Effects by". Are you saying you wouldn't contribute that because there is a "by"? I think the nit RHo's picking this time is that "Screen Play" is divided into two words when only "Screenplay" is shown in the charts. He's so determined to get his "functional equivalent" idea accepted that he'll find any excuse to challenge reasonable contributions. As 8ballMax says, it's gettig old really fast. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | It was old in December...now it's just getting ignore-worthy.
Back to the topic at hand, the first two get screenwriter credits, obviously. The second two get OMB credits. Adaptions take a source and turn it into something that can be filmed. Typically this involves compressing multiple characters into one and modifying/trimming plot points.
While most folks tend to dismiss the adaption credit, it's actually not trivial. The screenplay is based on the adaption, which in turn is based on the original work. If you leave out the adaption, then the screenplay wouldn't have been written as filmed. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
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Strictly according to the rules none of these gets a credit. While "Screenplay" is listed in the rules "Screen Play by" is not. If functional equivalents and spelling variants would be allowed, I would enter "Screen Play by" of course as "Screenwriter". "From a story by" in this context means "adapted from a story by" and this would get an "Original Material" credit. "Adaptation by" is more tricky. It somehow suggests a "Screenwriter" credit because the screen play is usually the result of the adaptation. But since there is a explicit "Screen Play" credit, I would give it another "Original Material" credit.
But unfortunately spelling variants and functional equivalents are not allowed.
This is getting real old, real fast. Pleas take your crusade to the Rules Committee Forum and leave it there. Excellent comment and suggestion. I got tired of it long ago. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: July 7, 2007 |  Posts: 284 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
It was old in December...now it's just getting ignore-worthy.
Back to the topic at hand, the first two get screeenwriter credits, obviously. The second two get OMB credits. Adaptions take a source and turn it into something that can be filmed. Typically this involves compressing multiple characters into one and modifying/trimming plot points.
While most folks tend to dismiss the adaption credit, it's actually not trivial. The screenplay is based on the adaption, which in turn is based on the original work. If you leave out the adaption, then the screenplay wouldn't have been written as filmed. Exactly as midnite says it here is how I would do it. And thanks for the comprehensive explanation of Adapatation, Midnite!  | | | My DVD's
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
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Back to the topic at hand, the first two get screeenwriter credits, obviously. The second two get OMB credits. [...] So be it!  I've submitted the profile that way (locality UK).  | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
In the same credits there is a "Special Effects by". Are you saying you wouldn't contribute that because there is a "by"? It doesn't matter what I would contribute or not. People say the rules are very clear. It was even mentioned that they are exact science. I would not care about a credit including "by" or not (even though the rules do). But "Screenplay" and "Screen Play" are clear spelling variants which are not allowed by the rules. Personally I would favour to allow them (including functional equivalents e.g. for "Adaptation by"). |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
This is getting real old, real fast. Pleas take your crusade to the Rules Committee Forum and leave it there. I have often seen the argument by others that a credit is not listed in the rules and may therefore not be contributed. As long as other people refuse e.g. "dubbing mixer" as functional equivalent, I will point out that the rules also forbid credits which would be welcome by almost everyone. We can't use the wording of the rules to cherry pick our preference. I'm sure several people have not been aware how many credits would not be allowed when the rules are interpreted as strictly as they tell others to do. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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This is getting real old, real fast. Pleas take your crusade to the Rules Committee Forum and leave it there.
I have often seen the argument by others that a credit is not listed in the rules and may therefore not be contributed. As long as other people refuse e.g. "dubbing mixer" as functional equivalent, I will point out that the rules also forbid credits which would be welcome by almost everyone. We can't use the wording of the rules to cherry pick our preference.
I'm sure several people have not been aware how many credits would not be allowed when the rules are interpreted as strictly as they tell others to do. If you don't see the clear distinction between entering OMB and OCB credits because of an oversight which left the "Credited As" column of the crew table empty or accepting that "Screen Play By" and "Screenplay" are the same thing, and letting a user make personal interpretations of crew titles which are completely different from what's listed, then you have made the case for why functional equivalents should never be permitted. It would be total chaos. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
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This is getting real old, real fast. Pleas take your crusade to the Rules Committee Forum and leave it there.
I have often seen the argument by others that a credit is not listed in the rules and may therefore not be contributed. As long as other people refuse e.g. "dubbing mixer" as functional equivalent, I will point out that the rules also forbid credits which would be welcome by almost everyone. We can't use the wording of the rules to cherry pick our preference.
I'm sure several people have not been aware how many credits would not be allowed when the rules are interpreted as strictly as they tell others to do.
If you don't see the clear distinction between entering OMB and OCB credits because of an oversight which left the "Credited As" column of the crew table empty or accepting that "Screen Play By" and "Screenplay" are the same thing, and letting a user make personal interpretations of crew titles which are completely different from what's listed, then you have made the case for why functional equivalents should never be permitted. It would be total chaos. "Screen Play" is a spelling variant of "Screenplay" and "Dubbing Mixer" is a functional equivalent to "Re-Recording Mixer". I can perfectly see the difference and I have spelled this out before in this thread. Both of those are not allowed by the rules if strictly read. And both of them should be allowed IMO. Since you again mention OMB, this case is not different than the rest. For example "Song Writer" and "Theme by" feature empty credited as columns as well. In those cases only the role variant in the role column is allowed. It is short sighted on the other hand for OMD because a credit spelled out exactly as "Original Material By" is hardly ever seen in real credits. |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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"Dubbing Mixer" is a functional equivalent to "Re-Recording Mixer".
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I'm not really sure what a "functional equivalent" would be (sorry, I haven't read the threads about it), but I'd rather say "Dubbing Mixer" is a "direct translation" from the American into the British variant of the English language, so it's expressly covered by the new rule about "direct translations". | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | To argue that "Screenplay" and "Screen Play" represent the same concept as a "functional equivalent" (whatever that is) is simply ludicrous and does not warrant any discusssion. If you want to get Ken to include "functional equivalents" that is fine -- take it to the rules forum. But stop throwing out those red herrings that "Screenplay" doesn't mean the same thing as "Screen Play." | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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