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"Full Screen" on Blu-Ray titles. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 17 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hello,
I recently submitted a change to a Blu-Ray disc (Great Expectations) changing it from "Full Screen 1.33:1" to "Widescreen 1.33:1"
The reason being that the display is a 16:9 image so is a widescreen display - it is the image being pillarboxed to 1.33:1 which gives us the "full screen" image.
Also, we are cataloging the disc - and NOT the film here aren't we?
Comments welcome, and I am happy with withdraw my contribution if the majority of people feel that older films on Blu Ray are still to be classed as "full screen". |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Full Screen please.
By your argument all BD/HD-DVD would be Widescreen, rendering the box redundant. It could be grayed out like the Anamorphic box is for those disc types. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Full Screen means the same thing noi matter the format. There is no such thing as Widescreen 1.33. A 1.33 image is ALWAYS Full Screen that was established long before Hi-Definition ever existed and not by Profiler.
You can call it whatever you want locally, but not for Contribution.
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,330 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with the others... 1.33 is for full screen not widescreen. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | In fact, it would be easier not to use "Full screen" and "Widescreen" which are terms that means nothing as we never know whether we are speaking of the movie ratio or the TV format.
It would be better to have those datas :
Transfert format : 4/3 or 16/9 (16/9 by default for blu-rays)
Movie ratio on disc : x,xx : 1
Theater movie ratio : y,yy : 1
With those data, we can know exactly how the movie looks like, depending of the type of TV we have, and if the DVD (blu-ray) respects original ratio. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Surfeur:
I don't understand, i never have any problem knowing EXACTLY what I am looking at, be it Widescree, or Full Frame. I know what the terms mena as they were established by the industry, not Profiler. The only problem that requires some level of expertise usually is FF vs. Pan & Scam. There is a Rule of Thumb about that, but it's not 100%.
For anyone with a solid base of knowledge about the industry this should present no challenge at all, regardless of the Disc Format.
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Billy Video |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,722 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's true that the "full frame" label we have at our disposal is somewhat misleading, but it most definitely is NOT "widescreen" and should not be entered as such. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Conundrum. Do we put in the aspect ratio and ws/fs for the true video including any pillar/letterbox bars or just of the visible video? After all, we are DVD Profiler, not Movie Profiler, and even will resequence the audio to match the layout burned onto the disc and not menu layout. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 17 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've withdrawn the update.
It is now confusing as "full screen" doesn't exist in HD world...
Maybe the widescreen/full screen/pan & scan buttons need to go!? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jroadley: Quote:
It is now confusing as "full screen" doesn't exist in HD world... Sure it does. Fullscreen, when dealing with video, is a term used to describe a 4:3 aspect ratio. Widescreen, on the other hand, refers to any aspect ratio that is wider and shorter than that. If the film is 4:3 (1.33:1), then it is fullscreen. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Conundrum. Do we put in the aspect ratio and ws/fs for the true video including any pillar/letterbox bars or just of the visible video? After all, we are DVD Profiler, not Movie Profiler, and even will resequence the audio to match the layout burned onto the disc and not menu layout. If you read the rules, it is clear that we are after the aspect ratio of the visible video. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
.. After all, we are DVD Profiler, not Movie Profiler... Well, I never could profile correctly my data DVD-Roms, but I easily profile my movies on blu-rays... So....  | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
If the film is 4:3 (1.33:1), then it is fullscreen. Example : The Birds, from Hitchcock. The film was originally 1.85:1, so widescreen. The DVD I have for this movie is 4/3 1.33:1, so it is not full screen, it's pan&scan. Saying "The Birds" is full screen is a misleading information. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Jroad:
It really is not hard to understand the industry has not changed their definitions in Oh I guess thirty years or so and we have been through many different video formats. Full Frame will always be any image up to 1.37:1 This includes 1.33:1 (4X3 and the old film Academy Ratio from way back when. Anything greater than 1.66:1 is Widescreen.This is the way it has been for many years, if the industry decides to make changes of some sort in the future, but it's not us that sets that standard, if it were we have exactly what you were doing jroad, every user would be running around doing whatever he wanted to do. Real hard. Unless you decide to try and create your own definition, which you can do LOCALLY.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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If the film is 4:3 (1.33:1), then it is fullscreen.
Example : The Birds, from Hitchcock. The film was originally 1.85:1, so widescreen. The DVD I have for this movie is 4/3 1.33:1, so it is not full screen, it's pan&scan. Saying "The Birds" is full screen is a misleading information. Actually surfeur, it probably NOT be Pan & Scam, it would likely be open-matted, there is probably more information top and bottom for the matting, MOST 1.85s are Open Matte, above that it will be Pan & Scam. But the only real way to tell is to compare the WS against yours to see. An excellent example of Open matting is Pee Wee's Big Adventure, if you are familiar with it, there is a scene where Pee Wee is pulling an endless chain out of his bicycle basket. This is the way it supposed to appear and does in Widescreen, but in the Open Matted Full Frame version you can see the pile of chain sitting on the pavement under the basket. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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If the film is 4:3 (1.33:1), then it is fullscreen.
Example : The Birds, from Hitchcock. The film was originally 1.85:1, so widescreen. The DVD I have for this movie is 4/3 1.33:1, so it is not full screen, it's pan&scan. Saying "The Birds" is full screen is a misleading information. You are correct, which is why we have the term 'Pan & Scan'. I do realize that I wasn't as clear as I meant to be in my original post. I apologize for that.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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